I hope everyone realizes that the police in the US are certainly as heavy handed as those in the UK; however, now that the rave scene has quieted down there doesn't seem to be so much interest anymore in making this a big police priority. They save the riot gear for the anti-war protesters, and globalization protesters, etc - google the phrase [police "Miami Model"] for very interesting information on recent police tactics in the US against protesters. I have personally been at a peaceful demonstration and seen this first hand... It's incredibly intimidating to have rows and rows of cops lined up in battle gear standing in front of you!
So yeah, I imagine that cops in riot gear would not bring a good vibe to your UK "rave"... ---------- Original Message ------------- Subject: Re: (313) Chicago SummerDance Schedule Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 14:03:16 +0100 From: robin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 313 Org <313@hyperreal.org> firstly the below was sent to me privately but i've checked with jodie and it's cool to go to the list. On 10 May 2005, at 12:56, Svagr, Jodie wrote: > I don't agree with you on this at all... I've lived in all three > locations, Detroit, Chicago, and now the ~UK... and I've witnessed > what happened in Detroit and Chicago during the planing phases of > getting these festivals off the ground. In both cities, people said > exactly what you are saying about the UK. Both cities were having > huge problems with the government and police stopping electronic music > events. Both cities were in a crisis... and the people in the > electronic music communities thought that eventually it would become > impossible to throw events... but through a LOT of hard work by the > people in the electronic communities, the government started to change > their opinions on things. > > It takes is a lot of planning, hard work, and knowledge, plus > determination and persuasion, and eventually you end up with what has > occurred in Chicago and Detroit. Both cities are very proud of these > acomplishments, and they should be. firstly i'm not trying to take any credit away from the people that made this happen. big respect is due. thing is tho the situation in the UK is definitely more locked down against this kind of thing due to the fact we had the massive rave explosion of the late 80s early 90s. it's even enshrined in law (and yeah i did go on the marches in london to protest). the UK is definietly a different kettle of fish compared to the states in this regard. even peaceful protests (like things like critical mass) are completely swamped with police these days. dance music is even more frowned upon. i went to movement last year and was amazed (and pleasantly surprised) by the relative lack of police at the event. i'm not complaining, i think this is a good thing. (also i think this isn't even a european/US difference, Queen's Day in Amsterdam had very few police when i went....the ones there were just to make sure people were ok). > > "never happen in the UK though. there'd be a sea of yellow jacketted > riot police with sticks and dogs as far as the eye could see in > anticiptaion of any trouble." > > If I had a dollar for every time someone from Detroit or Chicago had > said this, I'd be very wealthy, now look at where things are in those > cities... who knows, maybe England will change as well. > > :) > Jodie the government are unlikely to go back on the way things are in the UK imo. i do see what you say above and my attitude may seem negative but i've seen how police handle electrnic music events in the UK over many years (i was even told my car rregistration was marked as a free party attender in police databases!). the way i see it tho the more heavy handed the police the more likely the trouble. the way it seemed to be at things like Movement (last year at least) seemed more fair and not something i expected to see in the US. enough rambling now... robin... > > > -----Original Message----- > From: robin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 10 May 2005 12:09 > To: 313 Org > Subject: Re: (313) Chicago SummerDance Schedule > > > > my reply to the original email never got to the list before. > > this would be amazing to have in your home town. > > never happen in the UK though. there'd be a sea of yellow jacketted > riot police with sticks and dogs as far as the eye could see in > anticiptaion of any trouble. > > Movement (in the same way as last years) would never happen in the UK > either. > > and i dunno the answer to alex's question...doh > > > robin... > > On 10 May 2005, at 11:57, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> >>> FULL LINEUP! >> June 15 Paul Johnson / Maurice Joshua >> June 22 - Jeff Mills / Mike Dearborn >> June 29 - Lego / Jesse De La Pena >> July 6 - Glenn Underground / Craig Alexander >> July 13 - Ron Carroll / JM3 >> July 20 - Mark Grant/ Oscar McMillan >> July 27 - Superpitcher / Mazi >> Aug. 3 - Andre Hatchett / Joe Smooth >> Aug. 10 - Marshall Jefferson / Jesse Saunders >> Aug. 17 - Ron Trent / Rich Medina >> Aug. 24 - Farley "Jack Master" Funk/ Terry Hunter >> >> errrrr, wow! >> >> I have a question though. >> >> Has anyone ever seen that Andre Hatchett dj? Matt maybe? Anyone? >> >> What does he play? Is he the gut who used to dj with Ron Hardy alot? >> Does >> anyone know? >> >> Thanks >> >> Alex >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> --------------------- End of message text -------------------- >> >> This e-mail is sent by the above named in >> their individual, non-business capacity and >> is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. >> >> PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor >> outgoing and incoming e-mails and other >> telecommunications on its e-mail and >> telecommunications systems. By replying >> to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring. >
