68% white Steve, 68%
https://www.statista.com/statistics/476456/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-race/
From: Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2022 11:30 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
ther is not such a thing as an assault weapon, so thats easy.
You dont dictate whether people need or dont need anything, that you opinion
and its in regard to a fantasy item anyway, so pretty moot
Instant background checks would solve a lot of issues, especially since it can
flag a restricted individual, you try to buy a gun when you arent supposed to,
you should get a quick visit from authorities to clear it out
How would going after white supremacists stop the majority of the shootings and
mass shootings, since minorities perpetrate the majority of those? Its always
best to start with addressing the big problems first. white supremacists, black
supremacists, I dont think there are really any other color supremacists out
there. but both are the same card. best to focus on criminals instead of idiots
and emotions because CNN told you to.
How would indicting trump have stopped yesterday or the mass shootings under
your god obama?
You definitely shouldnt own firearms, I agree with you there.
Seventy years ago, KKK was in full steam politicians were openly members,
racism was rampant and most every school had a boatload of firearms in the lot
and in the building. So your whole premise that this is a white problem is just
you being a racist bigot. There were little to no mass shootings or school
shootings.
The moron in new york at least made it clear in his manifesto that was pretty
much plagiarized from the australian guy that this happens where it happens
because there are no guns there. he was very clear in that. Mass shooters (gang
members and the CNN image of the white kid) have one thing in common, theyre
cowards. They wont target armed areas, thats why schools and gun free zones are
what they like to hit (and the fact that the schools abuse alot of these guys)
The left fights for no guns, no borders, no consequense, no death penalty, no
accountability for things they like, and then they wonder why the natural
progression occurs. Thats why lieberalism is a mental illness. victimology and
cliche dont get the job done. never has, never will, fiddle and watch burn
On Wed, May 25, 2022 at 10:31 AM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Ban all assault weapons...
Normal folks don't need those...
Make purchasing guns harder and stricter background checks..
Go after white supremacist groups aggressively ..
Cut the head of the snake off...indict trump
On Wed, May 25, 2022, 9:25 AM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote:
What would you have them do?
From: Jaime Solorza
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2022 9:02 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
I stand by my posts...in Texas it's the Republicans who are strong gun
supporters...and fuck Democrats who don't do shit...
Tony Gonzales for one .
I call it as it is...
On Wed, May 25, 2022, 8:45 AM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote:
This has been building for decades and multiple administrations. So why
is it always the total fault of Republicans? Are Democrats so feckless they
cannot do anything but whine raise taxes?
Sent from my iPhone
On May 25, 2022, at 6:36 AM, Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Bullshit Steve...immigrants haven't been killing children or people
with assault weapons...they come here for a better life...
You don't live near the border...
You see things through a tunnel vision created by xenophobic racist
assholes...
I have been to Uvalde many times for work and pleasure...as a
grandfather of 16 school age children this hit me very hard...
Fuck guns, fuck Trump, fuck Abbott, fuck Cruz, fuck NRA, fuck GOP, pro
life my ass..
On Tue, May 24, 2022, 11:59 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
wrote:
No country that enacted these controls already had the volume of
firearms we have presently. Comparing apples and turtles. Ban them and you
have nothing but illegal weapons. We have a porous border that democrats fight
very hard to ensure whole people can get across. Ban guns and see how that
turns out. Disarm real people and every city and town will be Compton USA. Stop
the hugathug campaigns and the shootings will be less.
You folks are only upset because some white kids may have been shot.
You dont care that more kids of color are killed annually in here and there
shootings. Get off the big ticket outrage bandwagon, its dispicable.
On Wed, May 25, 2022, 12:01 AM Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>
wrote:
Stricter gun laws absolutely help reduce violence. Look at every
other country in the world and how much less gun violence they have.
Making guns harder to buy reduces the supply available to
criminals. Every gun a criminal has/had was at some point sold legally.
Requiring universal background checks means no more private sales without a
background check. Gun shows and private party sales don't require checks today
when they should.
If background checks are required for any sale or gift of a
firearm, this means sellers will be liable if the firearm they sold/gifted is
used to commit a crime if they didn't do a background check. Hold people
accountable who put guns into the hands of bad people. If a child uses a
parent's gun to commit a crime, charge the parent for something serious. Send a
message that guns are serious and dangerous in the wrong hands. People will
lock up their guns and be way more careful about who they sell or gift them to
if they are liable for crimes committed using their firearm.
Can't you see how these measures will reduce the supply of legal
guns going to criminals and mentally unstable people? Again, look at every
other country that has either gun bans or strict gun control and their
statistics clearly show that they have less gun violence per capita. If it
works everywhere else, it WILL work here.
Red flag laws and revokation of gun ownership should be passed too
so if someone becomes mentally unstable and starts posting about threats or
violence they want to cause, the sheriff should be able to sieze their guns
until they have a psych eval and can prove they're sane enough to get their
guns back.
This is a stupid saying: the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun
is a good guy with a gun.
The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to make sure they
never have access to a gun to begin with. There's multiple reasons why arming
more people is a bad idea. There's too many cooks in the kitchen then. Say
you're in Texas at church where many people carry. Someone decides to start
killing people in church so 20 "good guys" with guns pull out their pistol and
have to decide who the bad guy is... How many good guys end up getting shot by
other good guys? The answer is quite a few. You don't always know who the bad
guy with a gun is if all the good guys with guns draw at the same time. You
could be shot by other good guys or cops on accident. Worse yet would be
shooting innocent bystanders because there's a 20 person firefight happening in
church.
The solution goes back to people having fewer guns and America
getting rid of their obsession with guns. Keep them for hunting but don't make
guns a personality trait. The people who take family Christmas card pictures
all holding guns is embarrassing as hell. Like can't you just own guns and be
private about it instead of acting all Macho and worshiping your weapons?!
FYI, I am a gun owner and have a permit to carry. I do not carry
but have the ability to. I have several pistols and some hunting rifles and
shotguns. I have no desire for an assault rifle and don't see the need for
others to want them either. I think it should be much harder to buy a gun and I
support that.
The solution to gun violence is not to hire more armed guards and
police officers to patrol schools and other public places. All that does is
cost tons of money and doesn't prevent a bad guy from shooting up a place. It
may only reduce the response time to take out the shooter. Think 20 steps
before we get to the shooting. Preventing access to guns is Step #1 in
preventing these mass shootings and requires no extra money or armed guards.
Facts show these measures will work to reduce gun violence.
Opinions, thoughts and prayers do nothing to stop gun violence. Supporting the
gun lobby does not help. Allowing politicians to block all gun control
legislation does not help. Over 90% of Americans support universal background
checks yet the Republicans won't do a damn thing to pass it.
I'll scream this until people hear it, the Republicans are the
obstructionist, pro-death party. Their only platform is to say no to democrats.
They blocked bills to reduce the cost on insulin, help increase supply of baby
formula, help reduce gas prices, etc. They actively try to hurt the American
people. They take away human rights. They lie about science and allow their
supporters to die from covid by spreading misinformation. They try to scare
their supports by putting the fear of God into them with baseless claims of
replacement theory, war on God, indoctrination...
The party has become a joke. No spine and full of cowards who won't
stand up to hateful rhetoric. A coup attempt on January 6 and the party still
spreads the big lie that trump won when he clearly lost in the most secure
election in history. The party is becoming worthless and the younger generation
won't tolerate all the BS.
Democrat is the progressive party that cares about all people and
as long as we keep it moderate and speak up about what we like and don't like,
they are likely to listen. Reach out to your politicians and tell them what you
want them to do if you don't agree with their platform.
On Tue, May 24, 2022, 11:25 PM Jaime Solorza
<losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
Fuck our piece of shit governor, Trumpabbott and all his gun
loving supporters...
Fuck his press release...
These pieces of shit...are supposed to be at an NRA event next
week
Trumputinsky, Trumpabbott and Ted Cancun Cruzado...fuck them to
hell
On Tue, May 24, 2022, 6:34 PM Darin Steffl
<darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> wrote:
18 more children shot and killed. Fuck thoughts and prayers
from the right. These damn Republicans MUST agree to some sort of sensible gun
control.
Guns need to be hard to purchase, not easy. Red flag laws need
to be passed. Background checks for any and all purchases, no exceptions.
Another shooting, more dead children and the Republicans want
to do nothing. They'll gladly keep letting Americans die in order to keep gun
nuts happy. Something over 60% of Americans support stricter gun control.
Republicans continue to be the pro-death party. How
embarrassing and shameful!! If you vote republican, start reaching out to your
politicians and ask them to fucking do something!! This is a goddamn joke.
These mass shootings only happen in America.
I support if you're conservative but you must voice your
opinion if your party keeps messing up. Tell them to take action!
On Mon, May 23, 2022, 2:40 PM <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
Figuratively inside the lines.
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2022 1:56 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
...you mean outside the lines?
On Mon, May 23, 2022 at 1:47 PM <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
NYDOT can be pretty accommodating, but they definitely have
a lot of rules and they do want you to color inside the lines.
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Chuck
McCown via AF
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2022 1:37 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
Once we had to cut a road with an excavator. Then we had
to do compacted fill in lifts, the asphalt on the top had to be milled down on
both sides so the profile of the patch formed a T shape. We used the hot
sticky apshalt oil in a sprayer to spray down the T patch prior to dumping hot
mix on it and compacting. The guy running the sprayer was almost empty so he
sprayed some of the gravel on the edges of the road surface in the gravel empty
his machine. Not sure why he wanted to empty it as normally they just shut off
the burner and pump and add more the next day.
An inspector came out and made us do defcon 1 full hazmat
clean up job where he emptied his sprayer.
Then the next year they chip sealed that road. That
involves laying down rock chips and spraying the whole road and a portion of
the shoulder with the exact same hot sticky asphalt oil mix we got in trouble
for the year before. Same inspector was there. I got out and asked why UDOT
can do it and we cannot, is the UDOT hot asphalt oil less hazardous. He told
me to get off his work site or I would be arrested.
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2022 9:56 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
but it's organic.
bp<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>On 5/23/2022 8:05 AM, dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:
“kile (with an I not a Y and woke parents) doesn't
believe asphalt and concrete are environmentally friendly”
Well an asphalt road is kind of like a really long oil
spill
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of
Steve Jones
Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2022 2:35 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
mailto:af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
Most libertarians I know are just crybabies. They want
the benefits of governance without the costs. In a libertarian society to have
a 100 mile road, you would destroy your car every trip because there would be
no single governing body to maintain it in a consistent manner. Sure we have
road issues now, but every property line you cross would be a new road. And if
john at mile 6 like cobblestone, its cobblestone, and you know keith at mile 23
is gonna charge a 42 dollar toll, kile (with an I not a Y and woke parents)
doesn't believe asphalt and concrete are environmentally friendly, so mile 36
is made of soy and has long since been eaten by animals, paul at mile 52 is a
dick and stores all his nails on his road, then Greg up at mile 99 he doesn't
like people so he put boulders across his mile.
These fools are just kid brains who want no government of
someone else's, they want their government based on their current whim. Most of
their arguments break down after a little long term logic.
I also forgot to mention, just like wiping your ass, it's
best to not push too hard on a 2022 liberal, you'll just end up pushing through
to a fingerful of shit.
On Fri, May 20, 2022, 12:53 PM Sean Heskett
<af...@zirkel.us> wrote:
Yeah the libertarian platform I agree with, the Koch
brothers and the (Ron/Rand) Paul family are too far out there in whackadoodle
land for me.
-Sean
On Fri, May 20, 2022 at 7:02 AM <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
wrote:
I read the Libertarian part platform and thought I
could be on board. I registered as Libertarian and carried the card in my
wallet.
…..and then I met the other libertarians. Some I can
relate with and some others are absolutely insane.
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Jason
McKemie
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2022 6:47 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
Yeah, the nutjobs ruined that designation. I used to
partially identify as libertarian, I don't do that anymore.
On Thursday, May 19, 2022, Sean Heskett
<af...@zirkel.us> wrote:
Here in ColoRADo voting libertarian ends up getting
people like Lauren Bobert elected lol :-/
On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 9:15 AM Josh Luthman
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
It's not a throwaway vote!!!! You have to vote
libertarian if you want a libertarian!
On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 11:06 AM Sean Heskett
<af...@zirkel.us> wrote:
<Say in the voice of Mr. Mackey from South
Park>
Mmmkay everyone, all you “woke” people are
tried and cranky, y’all need to go back to bed and get some rest.
-Sean
(For the record I’m registered independent ,
socially liberal, fiscally conservative, I would vote libertarian if it wasn’t
a throwaway vote)
On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 8:53 AM Chuck McCown
via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote:
Well, maybe their thin skin needs some
toughening up. Everyone could use some more grit.
In my experience, those that feel compelled to
“call out” people never affect positive change. And frequently they harm
themselves in the trying. Becoming toxic themselves to those they are trying
to shame/expose/coerce/educate/put down.
What good does it do to tell some red necked
construction worker that he is being racist? I just avoid those with views I
abhor. And I try to teach by example. But I never call anyone out. At work,
if they are my employee, I address the concern in private. If they don’t
change I fire them.
Social justice warriors are idiots in my
opinion. They invent a noble cause with which to enshroud themselves while
acting out in socially impolitic ways, a good reason, in their mind, to be an
anarchist. Look at antifa and proud boys.
Exact same people, doing the exact same things,
for the exact same reasons. The ONLY difference is some contrived battle line
they are trying to advance.
From: Cameron Crum
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2022 7:42 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
You stirred the liberal hornets nest now,
Chuck.
On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 7:51 AM
<dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
Weirdly opposite here. My brothers are vocally
alt-right. All ex-military, all purport to be Christian. One is dead from
substance abuse and suffered a variety of mental health issues. The surviving
two are always broke, angry, and unhappy. I feel like I have to tiptoe around
them so they don’t fly off the handle about anything.
…..and I’m not at all “woke”. I just know it’s
not for me to pass judgement.
On the other hand, this is NY. Maybe they feel
like they’re the rebels fighting the evil liberal death star. Maybe your kids
in Utah feel like they’re the rebels fighting the evil Republican death star.
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of
Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2022 6:11 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
Woke, broke, in therapy and crazy unhappy.
That is how I would describe some of my kids.
The alt right unwoke ones seem to have money
and happiness.
Never expected I would not be able to speak my
mind at family dinners just to be able to still see some of my kids.
Feel like I was convicted in absentia, thrown
in the hole for a lifetime sentence, but taken out of solitary confinement now
and then at their whims just so they could claim to have compassion on me for a
half hour walk in the woods. Maybe longer if I pay for dinner.
Odd times....
I loved my parents and grandparents.
Never felt they had to earn it.
Never would have thought of condemning them for
the things they said.
Funny, I have a sister that lives 1000 miles
from me. Our families were separate all while the kids were growing.
But some of hers have done the same things to
her. Using the exact same vernacular.
Must have something to do with energy drinks I
think.
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