While I know you guys aren't interested in resolving problems with
rooted devices, how about a bunch of users who are running official
builds on non-rooted devices?
(Specifically the LG Ally on the Verizon network)

How should they escalate the problem given their carrier is probably
not at all interested?


On Jun 23, 10:42 am, Doug <dougforp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> If anyone is still interested, I've been able to reproduce the
> problem, but not a lot of logging I'm afraid.
>
> * If the device is connected via USB the problem doesn't seem to
> occur.
> * If both "Mobile Data" and "WiFi" are turned OFF, the problem doesn't
> seem to occur.
> * If either "Mobile Data" OR "WiFi" is enabled, the problem occurs (In
> my case mobile-data is 'dead' as the phone isn't registered with a
> mobile network)
>
> I've been able to capture logcat output on phone (using "logcat > /
> sdcard/logcat.out" from the Android Terminal app) on three occasions,
> but after a quick glance there doesn't seem to be much in common
> (don't know if this is due to output-buffering/file-flushing)
>
> Doug
>
> On Jun 14, 4:15 pm, Doug <dougforp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Hence my original request for information on how to determine the
> > cause of (what appears to be) a panic-caused reboot.
> > If I can determine the problem then you'll definitely see a ticket.
>
> > In terms of unknown software - how would I go about getting access to
> > official pre-release (i.e. Beta or RC) versions of Android for the
> > purposes of dev/test?  Is that even an option?
>
> > On Jun 14, 4:06 pm, Dianne Hackborn <hack...@android.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Doug <dougforp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Dianne - I completely agree that this is theoretically not an issue
> > > > that I should be concerned with, however, as the developer of an app
> > > > that seems to be triggering this bad behavior it is up to me to try to
> > > > determine whether or not anything can be done about it.  I can point
> > > > my finger in any direction (Motorola, Verizon, even Google/AOSP) but
> > > > as you know users don't know (or even care) where the problem lies,
> > > > all they see is my app misbehaving and thats the end of it.  I'd
> > > > rather do a little research to help identify/resolve the problem now
> > > > than have to deal with the user rants later.
>
> > > I care much more about the platform software being fixed than applications
> > > working around such a bug.  (Of course for some unknown piece of software
> > > running on a device, I care less about it.)
>
> > > In other words, if your app is crashing the platform, I would like to 
> > > have a
> > > bug filed with steps to reproduce so this issue in the platform can be
> > > fixed.
>
> > > --
> > > Dianne Hackborn
> > > Android framework engineer
> > > hack...@android.com
>
> > > Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to
> > > provide private support, and so won't reply to such e-mails.  All such
> > > questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see 
> > > and
> > > answer them.

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