--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Tony Tedesco" <[EMAIL
> > PROTECTED]>wrote:> > jim,> I am glad to see that you are as appalled by
> > the treatment of the > prisoners as i am. i have actually been involved in
> > discussionswith > some that feel that the prisoners got what was coming to
> > them.> > the point i was trying to get at was that his orders may have
> > very > well come from up the chain of command >
> > http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6790622 . given the memos where gonzales,at > the
> > doj at the time, formally concluded that the geneva convention > did not
> > apply to the conflict with al-queda it is not outside the > realm of
> > reasonable doubt that the orders actually came down the > chain of command
> > from the top. here is a link to the actual memo iam > talking about:> >
> > http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4999148/site/newsweek/> > so this now (for my
> > questions sake) takes the question of legality > out of it. i also think it
> > is somewhat plausible that it came from > above as these were not
> > situations where discretion was involved. > pyramids of naked people,
> > costumes, picture taking, etc..it had tobe > pretty much out in the open. >
> > > so, for arguments sake assume that the orders came from above. > under
> > those circumstances what is your opinion on the soldiers > sentence, and
> > how do you think that will impact other soldiers who > are put in
> > questionable positions when orders come from above.after > reading your
> > response below, i think that i had originally thought > you towed a much
> > harder line on doing as ordered.> > principles is ne of the topics that
> > this thread touches on. when > does your moral obligation override your
> > contractual obligation to > you employer, even if it is uncle sam?> > for
> > the record, i feel the sentence is justified. but this is > coming from
> > someone who has not served in the military. > >
> > tony>**********************************************************************************************************************
> > Tony,Graner was a Pennsylvania prison guard in his cilivan life.He made
> > acomment that said:{"The Christian in me say's it wrong but thecorrections
> > officers in me say.I love to make a grown man pissHimself"}Graner got what
> > he deserves I personally fell he should ofgotten more at least 20
> > years.Their are people in is Chain ofCommand he could have what to.He was
> > the Liaison on the cell block between M.P.S & intelligence officers.He is a
> > Discredit upon our Armed Forces Solders that put their lives on the line
> > everyday from the person that sacirface a weekend a month to the full time
> > solider here past & present in the U.S. to the solider overseas.Graner knew
> > what he was doing waswrong.But he did it anyway.What he did makes him no
> > differant than the terrosits.[THE UITIMATE MEASURE OF A MAN IS NOT WHERE
> > HE STANDS IN MOMENTS OF COMFORT & CONVENIENCE , BUT WHERE HE STANDS AT
> > TIMES OF CHALLENGE & CONTROVERSY] Martin Luther King said that was he
> > right.I believe he was.One of the problems our Country faces today their is
> > still to many people prejudice here Some say they aren't but some are.Look
> > at what has going on right here in Asbury Park for housing,employment for
> > people with lower & middle incomes.Which we all should look into getting
> > back to this A/P chat room back into the Asbury Park area.It seems like
> > their is plenty to talk about right here in our own city. JAMES P GRABE
> > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > >
> > > ---
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