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I believe there are some people capable of
discussion still. In any event, I have set 4 votes and I know others who
have set only 3. So there is room to gain votes for a particular candidate
or candidates. Indeed, someone on the gay list made me aware of facts that
made me do a flurry of investigation about one of my chosen candidates; and if I
became aware of facts to support a conclusion that I was voting for the wrong
guy - I would change my vote. However, people who are voting because of
emotional reasons like friendship are not and never were interested in really
discussing candidate qualifications.
Another ad hominem. But what the hell, I'll take the
bait:
"Do I contradict myself?
Very well then I contradict myself,
(I am
large, I contain multitudes)." -Walt Whitman
If that's too poetic for you, so be it.
At this point in the game, and it has deteriorated to a
game on this list, these posts seem much like Crossfire on CNN: all heat and
no light. Same ol' broken record on both sides. By now, minds are
made up, and all we're left with is "one-upsmanships." Nothing said here
today is apt to change anyone's mind; so what's the point?
Bottom line I guess is as the Press said: "While other
candidates [and I have to admit some on this list] did a
praiseworthy job spelling out Asbury Park's needs, none made strong
enough cases for their election that would warrant unseating those who have
served the city so well in the past."
And don't bother trashing the Press to me: I dislike the paper
too; but I still find it interesting that all three local print media, left,
right, and center) are nearly unanimous in their endorsements.
Mario
========Original Message========
You should take half of your own comments
to heart. I have never seen anyone with both sides of his mouth
completely double jointed. As you clearly have your thesaurus and book
of quotes nearby try looking up hypocrite or double standard.
Hello
[EMAIL PROTECTED],
In reference to your
comment:
facts. And they are facts, which are backed
up by transcripts
"Facts" come from the same root as "factory": to do or to make what we
want.
To wit:
"All generous minds have a horror of what are commonly called 'facts.'
They are the brute beasts of the intellectual domain. Who does not know
fellows that always have an ill-conditioned fact or two that they lead after
them into decent company like so many bull-dogs, ready to let them slip at
every ingenious suggestion, or convenient generalization, or pleasant
fancy?" -Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr.
"I'm not afraid of facts, I welcome facts but a congeries of facts is
not equivalent to an idea. This is the essential fallacy of the so-called
"scientific" mind. People who mistake facts for ideas are incomplete
thinkers; they are gossips." -Cynthia Ozick (b. 1928), novelist
"Facts are generally over-esteemed. For most practical purposes, a
thing is what men think it is. When they judged the earth flat, it was flat.
As long as men thought slavery tolerable, tolerable it was. We live down
here among shadows, shadows among shadows."
John Updike (b.
1932), author, critic
Respectfully submitted,
Mario
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Message========
Dan -
Thanks for reminding everyone of these facts. And they are facts, which
are backed up by transcripts from the meeting where Loffredo made these
comments. I have the tapes if anyone wants to listen to them.
Also, I played the tape on the show that covered this issue. Anyone
interested can check the archives on RestoreRadio.com.
Thanks again, Dan.
Maureen
In a message dated 5/9/2005 4:54:40 AM Eastern Standard Time,
AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com writes:
Message: 4
Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 15:54:03 -0000
From: "dfsavgny"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: APP Endorese Incumbents
From
APP
"Loffredo is savvy and knowledgeable, and he understands the
need for
both patience and for the long view. Mellina, though a
lightning rod
for much of the anti-redevelopment criticism, has been a
tireless
worker and understands better than most that the city's only
hope for
building a better life for everyone in the community is to
expand the
ratable base."
Loffredo is obviously savvy enough to
know which side his bread is
buttered on. The APP is a joke. They
repeatedly refused to print my
response to Loffredo's public reversal
on the Triangle sale and his
lip-syncing for Al Faiella, Asbury
Partners' attorney. The Coaster
also refused to print it. The other
day in NYC, Charlie Rangel
apparently reversed himself on the West
Side Jets stadium. Every local
paper took him to task for it. I guess
things in NJ are different and
the papers let elected officals betray
their constituients. Remember
on May 10th that Loffredo tried to sell
you a bill of goods. On Dec 15
he stated that the values in both
appraisals for the Triangle were too
low in his professional opinion.
He brought up none of the "facts"
that he one week later tried to
convince you really meant we were
getting $33 million for the
Triangle. Contrary to his later
advertisement for Asbury Partners, he
either was "not up on the facts"
when the ordinace was discussed, or
he chose to purposefully withold
them from the public. In the end, his
and Faiella's facts are hogwash,
they have nothing to do with the
price we are supposed to get for the
Triangle. Remember on May 10th,
this is the last real estate asset we
have left to sell or give away
to Asbury Partners. Its worth several
millions of dollars, not the
$400,000 Loffredo and cohorts are ready
to give it away for, and
certainly not the $175,000 Asbury Partners
wants to steal it for. Why
is this issue so important, because it
reflects how the majority
voting block on the council has handled
everything with Asbury
Partners.
Speak up - It's America!!
Maureen Nevin
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