Dave: I'm not going to be so presumptuous as to say that you are
wrong. All I'm saying is that in the thousands of photos and
postcards I've seen, I'm surprised I've never caught a glimpse of
the signs you are talking about.
Remember too that Asbury Avenue is the beach Asbury Blacks flocked
to in the 1800. They were not segregated there. It is the beach
they enjoyed.
Now there are postings here that racism is a problem in Asbury Park
today. Of course, no one can cite any examples. This victimology
at its worst.
Maybe its because my roots are on the west side, my mother still
lives in the house I grew up in. I'm there often. I just don't see
the racism. I feel terrible that poeple are disparaging Asbury Park
like this. It's BS and don't ever expect me to stand for it. This
is the least racist town I've been to.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "David J. Mieras" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> BB....if you were born in 1963 and the Civil Rights Act was 1964,
how would
> you "certainly" know if there were or weren't signs when you were
still
> crawling? I must admit my error w/ Led Zep because I didn't go to
that show,
> but if you ask someone like Mike Dowling, Tookie, or my Brother,
they'd
> remember if there were or weren't signs. The sign on Black Beach
was the
> only rascist posting I ever saw in my life, so I remember it being
there. I
> was 10 in 1962.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "bluebishop82" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 11:58 PM
> Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: crock of shit
>
>
> > Dave: Like most others around here, I have looked at thousands of
> > photos of AP. Anyone have any photos showing a "Blacks Only"
> > or "Whites Only" sign on the beach from the 50's? If there was
one
> > on every beach, I imaging there must be some pictures.
> >
> > Must say by the time I was there (born 63) there certainly
weren't
> > any. Civil Rights Act of 1964, perhaps?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "David J. Mieras" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >> He lived in Monroe Towers, right BB? (mailing address)
> >>
> >> I remember the sign, "Blacks Only" on Black Beach when I was a
kid
> > (born
> >> 1952). I've written about that beach in one of my stories on
> >> www.greasylake.org . There were "Whites Only" on the rest of the
> > beaches to
> >> the North of the Casino. All the black workers in Ocean Grove
had
> > to leave
> >> town when they were done w/ work.
> >>
> >> Ray Kramer was a slick cat. He'd bring his young oriental
> > girlfriend to
> >> UPSTAGE once in a while. There were always rumors flying around
> > about the
> >> man, but that's normal Asbury Park politics. I don't recall him
> > getting
> >> caught up in any crime, but do remember he had a reputation of a
> > poor
> >> businessman.
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "traderdube" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: <AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com>
> >> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 10:36 PM
> >> Subject: [AsburyPark] crock of shit
> >>
> >>
> >> > ah lawyers...BlueBishop wrote..."
> >> >
> >> > You claim Ray Kramer was a criminal. Please tell me what
crime
> > he
> >> > committed. I will make a prediction: You will answer me with
> >> > generalities that have no facts. You won't be able to name a
> > crime Ray
> >> > committed."
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Of course not! Ray Kramer was the mayor, remember. Wasn't
Kramer
> > a
> >> > teacher when he was elected, lived in a simple home etc.?
> >> > He made out pretty good post AP though didn't he? What marina
in
> > Point
> >> > Pleasant did the Kramer family own?
> >> >
> >> > Name a crime Ray Kramer committed....what a ridiculous and
> > insulting
> >> > question. Just as insulting as saying there was no govt
mandated
> >> > beach for blacks. It may not have been mandated by lawyers,
but
> > it was
> >> > mandated by society.
> >> >
> >> > Twist your words in court BB, let's try to keep it real
> > here......
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Yahoo! Groups Links
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> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
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