Tommy sees the light "Elections don't tell us what the people want. American elections are meaningless. Let's not even have them."
At a boy; we knew you had it in you! It's that idea thing and if you go way back, pre TV, it and its companions, principle, honor, goodwill towards your fellows and the broader clan of mankind you'll find a surfeit of it. American elections today have little to do with the will of the people, but a great deal to do with dissuading the majority from appearing, and tricking the gullible with pleas to the lowest common denominator. In a truly democratic system this virtual oligarchy of political power would not survive; but through the joint efforts of two parties, discourse is disemboweled, freedom is hobbled and will of the people is safely ignored. Both parties are guilty of this the only difference, the republicans are true masters. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "bluebishop82" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > OK Skip we will live in your world - elections don't count. Feel > better now? You win. Elections don't tell us what the people > want. No need to respond now - you are having your way here. > American elections are meaningless. Let's not even have them. > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Skip Bernstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > "what was the voter turnout Certainly a great deal higher than the > > percentage that post to this board. A much more scientific study of > > what the people of AP want. ...I have a different mind-set about > > elections. I've never done in my life is claim that the result > isn't > > what the people wanted. That seems un-American to me. I won't > argue > > your point about the voters in AP being duped I just note that > it is > > disrespectful to them. I am simply opining about the consequences > of > > what you say, intended or not." > > > > Poor Tommy reduced to splitting hairs. Comes with the territory, > > living in the freest land in the world, the most democratic of > > democracies, that when the populace simply gives up and refuses to > > play the shell game of American electoral process, the managers of > > that system give up on fixing what's broken and compare its > results to > > some cockamamie poll on the internet; Karl Rove is proud of you. > > > > Seems that in Tommy's world the wants of the people are divined > > through a system of survival of the fittest, i.e. those that > survive > > the machinations of the spin doctors who somehow know what they in > > fact want. > > > > If this sounds a bit like "If you tell a lie big enough and keep > > repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it" you win > the > > prize; Tommy's still struggling with belief. > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "bluebishop82" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > Tom, what was the voter turnout in %? > > > > > > Certainly a great deal higher than the percentage that post to > this > > > board. A much more scientific study of what the people of AP > want. > > > > > > I know I have a different mind-set about elections. One thing > I've > > > never done in my life is claim that the result isn't what the > people > > > wanted. That seems un-American to me. > > > > > > Even in elections where I greatly disliked the outcome, I didn't > do > > > that. I was terribly disappointed about the election of Bill > Clinton, > > > but conceded the moment it happened that it was what the voters > wanted. > > > > > > In the 1960 election there was every reason for the Republicans > to > > > claim voter fraud in Illanois, the election was stolen, Kennedey > was > > > selected not elected, etc., but no one of my mind-set did. No > one > > > with my mind-set would every do such damage to America or > disrespect > > > its people that way. > > > > > > Compare the other mindset. Gore and Kerry are still giving > speeches > > > that they were truly elected. Disprespectful to the American > voter. > > > > > > I won't argue your point about the voters in AP being duped, or > scared > > > or whatever. I just note that it is disrespectful to them. I > don't > > > allege you intend that in any way; I am simply opining about the > > > consequences of what you say, intended or not. > > > > > > I concede you see it differently and are of another mind-set. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
