Apparantly Skip's radar for sarcasm has failed him.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Skip Bernstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Tommy sees the light > "Elections don't tell us what the people want. American elections > are meaningless. Let's not even have them." > > At a boy; we knew you had it in you! It's that idea thing and if you > go way back, pre TV, it and its companions, principle, honor, goodwill > towards your fellows and the broader clan of mankind you'll find a > surfeit of it. > > American elections today have little to do with the will of the > people, but a great deal to do with dissuading the majority from > appearing, and tricking the gullible with pleas to the lowest common > denominator. > > In a truly democratic system this virtual oligarchy of political power > would not survive; but through the joint efforts of two parties, > discourse is disemboweled, freedom is hobbled and will of the people > is safely ignored. > > Both parties are guilty of this the only difference, the republicans > are true masters. > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "bluebishop82" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > OK Skip we will live in your world - elections don't count. Feel > > better now? You win. Elections don't tell us what the people > > want. No need to respond now - you are having your way here. > > American elections are meaningless. Let's not even have them. > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Skip Bernstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > "what was the voter turnout Certainly a great deal higher than the > > > percentage that post to this board. A much more scientific study of > > > what the people of AP want. ...I have a different mind-set about > > > elections. I've never done in my life is claim that the result > > isn't > > > what the people wanted. That seems un-American to me. I won't > > argue > > > your point about the voters in AP being duped I just note that > > it is > > > disrespectful to them. I am simply opining about the consequences > > of > > > what you say, intended or not." > > > > > > Poor Tommy reduced to splitting hairs. Comes with the territory, > > > living in the freest land in the world, the most democratic of > > > democracies, that when the populace simply gives up and refuses to > > > play the shell game of American electoral process, the managers of > > > that system give up on fixing what's broken and compare its > > results to > > > some cockamamie poll on the internet; Karl Rove is proud of you. > > > > > > Seems that in Tommy's world the wants of the people are divined > > > through a system of survival of the fittest, i.e. those that > > survive > > > the machinations of the spin doctors who somehow know what they in > > > fact want. > > > > > > If this sounds a bit like "If you tell a lie big enough and keep > > > repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it" you win > > the > > > prize; Tommy's still struggling with belief. > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "bluebishop82" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > Tom, what was the voter turnout in %? > > > > > > > > Certainly a great deal higher than the percentage that post to > > this > > > > board. A much more scientific study of what the people of AP > > want. > > > > > > > > I know I have a different mind-set about elections. One thing > > I've > > > > never done in my life is claim that the result isn't what the > > people > > > > wanted. That seems un-American to me. > > > > > > > > Even in elections where I greatly disliked the outcome, I didn't > > do > > > > that. I was terribly disappointed about the election of Bill > > Clinton, > > > > but conceded the moment it happened that it was what the voters > > wanted. > > > > > > > > In the 1960 election there was every reason for the Republicans > > to > > > > claim voter fraud in Illanois, the election was stolen, Kennedey > > was > > > > selected not elected, etc., but no one of my mind-set did. No > > one > > > > with my mind-set would every do such damage to America or > > disrespect > > > > its people that way. > > > > > > > > Compare the other mindset. Gore and Kerry are still giving > > speeches > > > > that they were truly elected. Disprespectful to the American > > voter. > > > > > > > > I won't argue your point about the voters in AP being duped, or > > scared > > > > or whatever. I just note that it is disrespectful to them. I > > don't > > > > allege you intend that in any way; I am simply opining about the > > > > consequences of what you say, intended or not. > > > > > > > > I concede you see it differently and are of another mind-set. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! 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