Dan, we're having a major miscommunication here. Here's the scenario:

I assert that 1+2=3. You, in response, say I am wrong because 2+2=4.

Clearly we are both correct aside from the fact that you are wrong in 
asserting that I am wrong. Instead of addressing the issue that I 
raise you are going off on a tangent.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I will leave planning, etc. to Werner, but he is wrong on the law
> and property rights.

Ahh, You throw down the gauntlet. OK here we go.

>... Assumedly, Bradely 
> or the founders, when selling the tractss either RESERVED some
> rights for the public in or over PRIVATE PROPERTY or the City
> later acquired those rights.
> Whatever the case may be, those rights, now referred 
> herein as PUBLIC PROPERTY (more specifically, public rights in
> private property)
>... You just can;t say it is public property and private property 
> owners cannot do anything with their own property.

Not the case and not the topic of discussion, see my previous post. 
There's the tangent argument you are making.

>...If the public 
> abridges or increases its RIGHT (or property)in or over private 
> property, then it is a taking and the Constitution requires just 
> compensation.

There you go again

> If you want to regulate fences, pass a law for godssakes, 
> but don't tell me I don;t own the property. I I didn't, I wouldn't 
> be paying taxes on it. Werner is as wrong as wrong can be.

Back to the issue: The boundry between the City street and your 
private lot is in the area between your home and the sidewalk. Your 
fence is in the City Street for legal purposes. You are not paying 
taxes for part of your front yard because you do not own it. 

Are you a betting man? A six pack or $1,000.00,(your choice), that I 
am right. How far do you want to go with this?

Werner










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