Wow. What a joke.
All I can say is that Werner seems to stand up for what he believes in, which
is preserving
what little we have left of Asbury's past, and not just in the pages of a
coffee table book,
but right here, right now in Asbury.
So now T. Deseno, who writes one of the most ridiculous columns i've ever seen
in the
TriCity news comes along to wave his own flag, and put down Werner.
It not always about politics, it's more about credibility.
At this point in our country, we might as well get rid of democrat and
republican, because
both parties are making a mockery of their roots.
There is a disconnected tone to what Deseno writes, almost as if he's just
trying to piss
people off, not give them something valid to think about.
Same goes for his attack on Werner.
It doesn't matter what party Deseno is affiliated with...a jerk is a jerk
either way.
A few weeks back, Deseno wrote a ridiculous article calling for the demolition
of The
Baronet. That being said, what kind've credibility does that give a person
who's willing to
publically bash a historical site, call for it's destruction, call supporters
of it's salvation
"Nazi's" and claim that people like Werner care more about a few remaining
historical sites
then the homes of older people living here?
I think Deseno needs to get some credibility before he can be taken seriously.
For right now, I think the jokes on him.
Jack
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Ok Werner, you say I'm not a City Historian. Let's talk about that.
>
> First off, let me be perfectly honest here, as I assume you will be
> about this: There is no official burden of proof one must overcome
> to call himself a "Historian." There is no degree or licensure.
> Just like anyone can hang a sign at his office and call himself
> a "Public Accountant" or as was the case for "Home Inspector" for
> many years, anyone can call himself a Historian.
>
> Just like with a Public Accountant, it will ultimately be up to the
> public to rate the Historian's skills and his worth, and by that his
> credibility will be measured.
>
> I wonder if you think Helen Pike, Peter Lucia or Wolff to
> be "Historians" of Asbury Park?
>
> Let's talk about you Werner. You went to some class with the STARS
> program and exited calling yourself expert in several areas, like
> History and re-development. That's your right to do so, I guess.
>
> I recall a person I knew years ago who was very strange. I actually
> thought him to suffer some sort of retardation. He was absorbed by
> a certain historical topic, and one day I saw him on TV in a
> documentary as an expert on that topic. He convinced some producer
> he was credible. I knew then to be skeptical about what I see on TV
> and who calls himself an expert.
>
> I also have a suspicion of "experts" from cross-examining so many in
> Court. I've watched many whom the Court accepted as an "expert"
> crash and burn. No one should be believed for the sole reason that
> he calls himself expert. In the final analysis, he still has to
> prove his worth.
>
> I note that you and others claim that since Terry Weldon was
> involved in the redevelopment plan, and Weldon is a felon, that
> casts doubt and suspicion on the Plan.
>
> Well, Mayor Butch Saunder's administration appointed you City
> Historian. Butch is a felon, Councilman Condos is a felon. John
> Hamilton is facing a trial for being a felon. Does the fact that the
> majority of people who anointed you "City Historian" turned out to
> be felons detract from your credibility as a Historian? I say no,
> but using your logic about Weldon, you would have to say yes.
>
> I don't mean to hurt your feelings here, but I suppose you weren't
> concerned about my feelings with your post, so here it goes: People
> in the know have joked that Butch gave you that informal, un-paid
> title to shut you up from all your unnecessary criticism. I've heard
> Butch regretted it because it didn't work.
>
> I've sat at Council meetings and counted your historical
> inaccuracies, as have others. I note that you being fired from an
> unpaid position and replaced by nobody is a serious indictment of
> your credibility and worth as a historian.
>
> You are also far too absorbed with the historical relevance of how
> high curbs were in this or that year and other such mundane matters,
> and unconcerned about the history of Asbury's people, to call
> yourself historian. Not that those issues don't have some
> importance and should be ignored, but you can't ignore the "people"
> history in favor of say, "zoning history" and seriously call
> yourself an historian of any import. You bore people and they stop
> listening, and that is the antithesis of a good historian.
>
>
> When the Merchants Guild asked you to give speeches on the bus trip
> from Asbury to Ocean Grove as a "Cinema Tour," I took one of those
> bus trips. You were supposed to talk about our area's connection to
> Cinema. Instead you couldn't help yourself but to talk about how
> people mis-identify the type of Asbury Park architecture, and then
> pointed out some curb markers in Ocean Grove. Most of the trip you
> were silent, and only mentioned Cinema when you lamented the
> condition of the Casino and said Woody Allen shot a film there.
> That was it.
>
> People got off the bus in Ocean Grove complaining that it was
> nothing more than a bus ride, and that they would skip the return
> trip and walk back.
>
> To save face for the Merchants Guild, I asked them to stay for a
> moment and told them about the various movies that were shot in
> Asbury, describing what landmarks they could see in the various
> movies, and anecdotal stories of interactions some of the locals and
> their businesses had with the movie people. I described Walter
> Reade's theaters and their chain of ownership. I told them which
> building housed his popcorn making plant for all his theaters, and
> how as kids we could buy 3 foot bags of popcorn there of $1. I
> described the TV shows shot in Asbury. I talked of Asbury Park
> references in movies and TV shows even if they weren't shot here. I
> talked of our celebrities that came from here.
>
> I talked of why Movies come here, including the incentives offered
> by our tax structure that makes it cheaper to shoot movies here than
> in NY and California. I talked to them about cinema, which is why
> they were there.
>
> No, I didn't talk about whether AP's plans for curb heights are the
> same as they were at the turn of the 20th century. While giving
> them history, I entertained them, which a historian should do. They
> applauded and thanked me.
>
> I have a slide show and speech that I've given to civic groups
> around the County about the history of Asbury Park. It's full of
> fun facts about our founding, our connection to professional sports,
> movies, and famous people that have a connection to AP. It is full
> of fun facts you probably don't even know about. People love it.
> Instead of taking a stipend which they offer, I ask instead that the
> audience meet me downtown on a Friday and then I turn them loose on
> our stores so they can see how great it is Downtown.
>
> You don't even know enough about our history to give such a speech,
> and don't care enough about our struggling businesses to have the
> sense to say something positive about the City in public, let alone
> use your position as "historian" to draw people here. I do that.
> It's what a responsible City Historian does.
>
> When I publish columns about Asbury Park, I often get letters from
> people who grew up here in the '30's, '40's and '50s who say that
> even if they don't always agree with my political columns, my
> history columns are consistent with their recollections.
>
> I've studied Asbury Park history, I've collected data, I've
> witnessed a good portion of it, and I'm confident in my analysis of
> it.
>
> I will continue to call myself an Asbury Park Historian, and will
> let the people that read my work and attend my seminars judge my
> worth in that regard.
>
> I know how I will be judged on this board, as there is a political
> prejudice against me to start with.
>
> Good day.
>
>
>
>
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" <wernerapnj@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Tommy should stick to law and politics.
> > Perhaps I can retain him to sue himself for misrepresentation.
> > He's about as much a historian as I am a brain surgeon.
> >
> > Werner
> >
> > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson <nnjallans1@>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > From justifiedright.com
> > >
> > > See Me on TV Tonight
> > > I will be interviewed tonight on News 12 New Jersey as an Asbury
> Park City Historian
> > concerning the sale of the Historic Berkeley Carteret Hotel.
> Please tune in!
> > >
> >
>
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