Hello [EMAIL PROTECTED],


In reference to your comment:

Check my post. I said Keady's plan was Cracker; I didn't say he
was a Cracker. Identifying his idea as Cracker is no different than
identifying it as good or bad, right or left, correct or incorrect,
 
Sophistry.  Your reasoning. 
 
You said: "Typical Cracker suggestion."
 
If I said typical "Fascist remark," or "typical Wop remark,"  you'd be calling for Godwin's law or the Italian anti-defamation league.
 
 
 
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Subj: [AsburyPark] Re: Tom
Date: 10/22/2006 5:09:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
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Dan I'm glad you brought this up so I can take the chance to
highlight a difference.

There is a difference between pointing out flaws in someone's
argument, and pointing out a flaw in their person.

Check my post. I said Keady's plan was Cracker; I didn't say he
was a Cracker. Identifying his idea as Cracker is no different than
identifying it as good or bad, right or left, correct or incorrect,
christian or heathen, etc. Calling it Cracker is to take a certain
measure of it no differently than those other measurements.

For the record, I do maintain that a response to a teenager in a
Black community getting shot in the face, that Basketball is the
missing piece of the puzzle, is very "Cracker." I'm arguing against
the idea, not the person bringing it. I would call the idea Cracker
if a Black person had brought it up. It is Cracker.

The difference in Mario's posts is he never deconstructs the
argument or idea, he tries to deconstruct the person. Consider
these from him (only since yesterday!):

...You have a penchant for…

…compensate for incompetence or ignorance...

…didn't seem to remember their courses in documentation and ethics...

...Tommy, Poster Boy…

…intellectual…flabbiness...

…cagey lawyer…

…Physician, heal thyself. And reverends, pray for more self
knowledge…

…you just don't understand complex thought or nuance…

See the difference? His posts don't attempt to point out a defect in
the person's argument, they attempt to point out a defect in the
person.

I'm pretty sure the complaints I saw on this board were about that
sort of thing. I'm going to do my best to respect those who
complained and not do it. Whether others do or don't remains to be
seen.

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED].> wrote:
>
> I'll put it in language you can understand Tom, something that I
> know you and I are sensitive to. How would you like it if someone
on
> this forum called you a GINNIE, a WOP, or how about a mafia lawyer?
>
> Cracker
>
> Historically the word suggested poor, white rural Americans with
> little formal education. Historians point out the term originally
> referred to the strong Scots-Irish of the backcountry (as opposed
to
> the English of the seacoast). Thus a sociologist reported in
> 1926, "As the plantations expanded these freed men (formerly bond
> servants) were pushed further and further back upon the more and
> more sterile soil. They became 'pinelanders,' 'corn-crackers,'
> or 'crackers.'" [Kephard Highlanders] Frederick Law Olmsted, a
> prominent landscape architect from the northern United States,
> visited the South as a journalist in the 1850s and noted that some
> crackers "owned a good many negroes, and were by no means so poor
as
> their appearance indicated."
>
> In the African American community, "cracker" is a disparaging term
> for whites. (The OED cites the 1830s origin of white trash as a
word
> used by slaves on rich plantations to ridicule poor whites.)
>
> Since 1900 "cracker" has become a proud or jocular self-
description.
> With the huge influx of new residents from the North, "cracker" is
> now used informally by some white residents of Florida and Georgia
> ("Florida cracker" or "Georgia cracker") to indicate that their
> family has lived there for many generations.
>
> However, the term "white cracker" is not always used self-
> referentially and remains a disparaging term to many in the region
>

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