--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I respect your right to say whatever you wish, but I feel the way I
feel, after much "coded" language, that some, employ, while not really
saying what they really mean!  I find this prevalent in groups of
individuals, who have an agenda, guised as something else.  I have not
lived in this country, ignorant of bigotry and racism, as I've seen in
the state of NJ, in the 36 years, I've lived here, in Monmouth County.
I've seen it in the schools, employment and just in daily living,
where I'm reminded constantly, that I don't matter and I don't count,
but it's okay, for nearly every male in my family to serve in the
military, then be "profiled", when walking, driving, or just "being".
Ask any Black man, that walks into a room, filled with another race. 
No, I don't have a "chip" on my shoulder; it's just a fact of life, to
be of another hue and treated like a "second-classed", citizen.  Just
look at the schools, here.  Mostly Black and brown.  The kids are
"under-served", while enormous amounts of money is expended on a
"lost" cause.  Blacks are, "herded", on the West-Side, that looked
like a "bombed-out", remnant, from the "Blitz", in London!  Public
housing, sub-standard housing, vermin and rat-infested housing, while
rents are jacked up to receive "Section-8", funds, from the Federal
Government.  While Blacks are 90% or close to it in this town, they
are under-represented and a "bone" is thrown at them, every once in a
while.  While the City is Gay-Tolerant, it isn't too much else!  Where
are the jobs?  Where's the education?  In the toilet, that's where! 
Okay, blame the parents, but what happened to THEIR, opportunity? 
There ISN'T, any!  No training programs, no connecting transportation,
for a population, that don't own autos, in a commuter state! 
Ridiculous!  Where the real industry, was placed in suburbia and the
malls, only offer minimum wage jobs.  An influx of illegal immigrants,
that the Police and City Officials, seem to avoid, because it is the
Federal Governments' job, to enforce immigration!  Where the jails,
are filled to capacity, with OUR "fruit"; men and women of
child-bearing age, locked up for drugs, theft, etc., where they are
doomed to wind up back in jail, a method of keeping voting down,
because they are disenfranchised from voting, while prisoners in other
northern states, are permitted to vote, even while incarcerated.  NJ
and AP, are microcosms, of an overwhelming system, devised to keep
people of color, in check, so when I hear of individuals, bent on
keeping one segment of society, OUT of the system, of the "land of the
free and home of the brave", while practicing a form of "apartheid", I
get suspicious.  When a council, files a "friend of the court", in
matters, NONE of their business, it is an attempt, to "muzzle",
something!  Okay, keep the Mission OUT of Asbury, then when a homeless
person, pops up dead, I'll say, "I told you so", all you so-called
Christians, OUT there!  Would you turn Jesus, away, too?
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "2fine4u" <sharon_b283@> wrote:
> >
> > Werner,
> > I agree with YOUR post, completely!  If STAND UP FOR ASBURY, is
> > circulating dis-information, THIS should be exposed, also! 
> 
> 
> >I find STAND UP, the equivalent
> > of WCC, (White Citizen's Councils, cousins of the KKK)!  Next, 
> they'll
> > want all of the Blacks out, too!  
> 
> 
> Sharon
> 
> In all due respect I think you are wrong. Firstly, the listing of 
> places that were not shelters was not purposeful disinformation. It 
> was wrong information and corrected. They should have been presented 
> as places that serve the homeless and less fortunate.
> 
> Secondly, your characterization of SUFA as a racist organization is 
> not only wrong, but hurtful to individuals like myself who support it 
> and are certainly not racist. SUFA is supported by people of all 
> colors. Race has nothing to do with it.

Not being a part of this group, I wouldn't know, so if there are other
races, they are just as bad!

> 
> Neither might I add does socio-economic status. SUFA is supported by 
> people who recognize the responsibility of society to those less 
> fortunate and who have essentially, fallen through the cracks. 
> However, these same individuals also realize that the Mission is not 
> good for this city. This city has shouldered far more than its fair 
> share over the decades in terms of social responsibility.
> 
> The Mission as currently envisioned will attract not only more of 
> those less fortunate to become wards of our city, but also those less 
> desirable froma criminal standpoint.

This is an assumption.


> 
> It is one thing to disagree with the aims of SUFA, and another to 
> claim that it is racist. 

I did assert this.

You do me and others misjustice. 

I had no idea, you were involved and thought better of you, personally.

It is as 
> bad, if not worse, as bringing JK or anyone else into the discussion. 

People who are against him, will do it anyway; (insert him, as a
"bleeding heart", liberal!

> It is about issues and that is where the focus should be.
>
Pray tell, what are they?  The issues, that is?





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