Securing our borders is aboslutely critical - we should do whatever
it takes. But Tom let's be serious about the 12+ million people who
are here. You gloss over it as so many do below by talking about the
70k felons we could start with. That's a rounding error in terms of
trying to arrest and deport all of them back home. I have never
heard any real solution to addressing these folks from the hard-line
crew. They are here, like it or not. The reality is you simply
can't tell them to go home (there's nothing there for them) and there
won't ever be enouh resources to deport them. So, what's the
solution? Stop them from getting work? They're here already - so
that leaves them with two choices.
1 - go home which isn't going to happen as they came here because
they couldn't feed their family where they were.
2 - resort to real crime - robbery, drug trafficking, etc., as that
will become the only way to support themselves.
Bottom line it is very easy for us all to sit here and say "they
broke the law coming here - we shouldn't enable them." And it is
easy because we have jobs, food, etc... But if it was you who had
nothing and your family was hungry what would you be willing to do to
provide for them? Perhaps jump over a porous border?
Blame the Mexican government for failing to address the needs of
their citizens. Blame the US government for failing to protect the
borders. Don't blame the vast majority of illegals who are good
people who have nothing at all and no opportunity to change that for
themselves and their children in Mexico.
And please don't rail on with that "send them home" garbage.
It's at least 12 million people! What's your plan to do that? And
what's the unintended impact of that plan?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <dfsavgny@> wrote:
>
>
> > The Draft Riots of the Civil War. America always finds someone to
> >do
> > the jobs that no one else will.
>
> The "do the jobs that no one else will" is a myth that for some
> reason is easily accepted. It shouldn't be. There is no job in
> America where the workforce is more than 27% illegals (most are
much
> less than that). So in all jobs, Americans and legal aliens are
> doing the work at 3x the rate as illegals are, and in most cases by
> a far greater percentage.
>
> There is no job in America that Americans won't do. The problem
> Americans are having is that they have to compete for wages against
> illegals who are not trying to assimilate, rather make money to
send
> back home and return thereafter.
>
> >Tommy,
> > I am surprised that a conservative like you would not support
> <laizze
> > faire. Do you want wage controls?
>
> No, I want fair competition. How can an American Black laborer
> demand a wage that allows him to buy a home, get his kids an ipod
> and a bike, send his kids to college and have a nest egg for
> retirement when an illegal will work for cheap because he is living
> 30 in a house and sending every penny back to Mexico so his familiy
> can live well there and he can go back in 10 years and retire? He
> can't. It's unfair competition.
>
> Let Americans compete against those that wish to stay here.
>
> > I had a mexican doing work for me and now he owns his own company.
>
> Was he legal or illegal?
>
> > There have been studies looking at
> > the growth of the US economy over 150 years. The economy always
> >grew
> > faster after great waves of immigration.
>
>
> Interesting info, but useless to the current situation. Nothing
> like we are experiencing right now has ever happened in history, so
> history is no guide here.
>
> First of all, the extensive welfare state is much younger than 150
> years.
>
> No country has ever been asked to handle this many foreigners at
one
> time, educate them, give them healthcare, welfare, etc.
>
> Consider some numbers. After America was formed, the two largest
> groups of immigrants from Europe are Germans, followed by
Italians.
> There are more illegals STANDING IN AMERICA RIGHT NOW than all the
> Germans and Italians that came here combined over the past 225
> years.
>
> We have more foriegn born people STANDING IN AMERICA RIGHT NOW than
> all the immigrants who came here combined in the 350 years from
1607
> to 1965.
>
> Some assert the number of illegals crossing the border is as high
as
> 2 million each year. Gov. Bill Richardson of Arizona says his
state
> sees 4500 illegals cross the border EVERY DAY.
>
> No one knows if American can bear this weight.
>
> >All of these people cannot
> > simply be deported.
>
> Most can be. Lets start with the approximately 70,000 that arrive
> each year with felony records.
>
> >It is probably the
> > only thing on which I will ever agree with Dubya.
>
> President Bush's failure to secure our borders in a time of war is
a
> gross dereliction of his Constitution duties (not to mention a
> failure to ensure domestic tranquilty, as I would expect poor
Blacks
> in partuclar to rise up against this economic war being waged upon
> them).
>
> If failure to secure our boarders are grounds for impeachment,
don't
> expect me to stand in the way if the Democrats try.
>
> >How do they or
> > anyone rise up? Education.
>
> I'll enroll them in school when they land here legally.
>
>
> >The jews who emigrated here always knew the
> > answer.
>
>
> The answer was assimilation. I don't recall them demanding any
> street signs, applicaitions or 411 calls in yiddish.
>
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