You are really hitting a nail there... whats wrong with AP that
blinds people to the obvious? Something in the water they serve?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "sandpiper15" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Okay, but Jack's original post to which I was responding was
> complaining about (along with some aesthetic issues) the lack of
> adherence to agreements. He mentioned the bandshell. Apparently
> (according to Maureen's tape of the council meeting several weeks
> back) MM/Partners or some derivation thereof was supposed to, as
part
> of the WRA, have at least started to restore the bandshell to
working
> order by this summer. That hasn't happened and doesn't look like it
> ever will. So there's an example of a promise made and broken with,
> apparently, no explanation for the citizenry on whose behalf the
city
> signed the WRA.
>
> I don't think this is about being ballsy with someone else's money.
> If in fact the economic downturn has caused a delay in
construction,
> that's perfectly legitimate and understandable. But why can't the
> developer send a representative to the council meeting and explain
to
> the council, with the citizenry listening, why that delay is
> happening and what the company is doing to address it? Instead,
> Werner asks a perfectly legitimate question and is rebuffed (by
> Sammett was it?) with some obfuscation about plans
being "supplanted"
> and no visible effort on the part of the council to demand a public
> explanation from MM/Partners.
>
> Remember also that, unless I'm mistaken, the WRA doesn't stipulate
> that once all the pavilions and the Casino are rebuilt and making
> money that MM donate them all back to the city and leave town like
> some good Samaritan. Unlike an individual homeowner, this is a
> multimillion dollar company with dozens of develoments throughout
the
> country. They're in town to make money - lots of it - for a very,
> very long time. And if they do, it will be because the city (again,
> on behalf of the citizenry) provided them that opportunity. So why
> doesn't MM/Partners show as much deference toward their hosts as
the
> hosts have shown toward them? Everyone who lives or owns a business
> in Asbury Park has the right to expect the city council to hold
> MM/Partner accountable when it comes to signed agreements,
regardless
> of whether they rent or own.
>
>
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dsher4" <dsher4@> wrote:
> >
> > No, obviously everyone is entitled to their opinion. And in some
> > cases the suggestions are good. I'm just pointing out that i
have
> > noticed a trend on this board. Generally, the people who have
put
> a
> > lot of time and money into their homes in the town are cautiously
> > optimistic while those who don't, do the most complaining. I
think
> > the group that has invested time and money realizes that things
> take
> > time because they have experience with that in their own places.
> >
> >
> > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer" <hinge98@> wrote:
> > >
> > > So, because it's other people's money means it's ok to do
sneaky
> > things like eliminate a
> > > historic band shell, and allow ugly, pedestrian architecture.
> > > I didn't realize life was that simple and without
accountability.
> > >
> > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dsher4" <dsher4@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hey Jack,
> > > >
> > > > Buy an old house in AP and use your dollars to bring it back
to
> > its
> > > > historical past. Its easier to have balls with someone
else's
> > > > money.
> > > >
> > > > Dan
> > > >
> > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer" <hinge98@>
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > The city council, but it feels like they are under the MM
> > spell.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "sandpiper15"
> > <sandpiper15@>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer"
<hinge98@>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > MM is getting away with it because nobody is putting
> > pressure
> > > > on them
> > > > > > to explain
> > > > > > > what happened.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That seems to be the common thread in many different
> > > > frustrations and
> > > > > > controversies. So whose responsibility is it to call them
> > out?
> > > > And
> > > > > > whose responsibility is it to call THOSE people out for
not
> > > > calling MM
> > > > > > out?
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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