You say below that Biden wants to "preserve the definition of marriage
in the constitution."
Is that another Biden gaffe? Where does the constitution have a
definition of marriage?
Either he didn't say it and your source is wrong, or he's made yet
another of many silly gaffes.
Sorry to burst your bubble Jennifer but there have only been 1
executive order and 1 law signed by an American President.
Both were against gays. Both were signed by Democrat Bill Clinton.
No Republican President has signed a law or order against gays.
George Bush had a Republican House and Senate for 6 years and didn't
do it.
Democrat Bill Clinton did.
Open your eyes - Democrats hurt gays.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jennifer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright"
> <justifiedright@> wrote:
>
> "> Your quote accused conservative of hate and fear mongering. The
> > posts were disprove your point - it's the libs that are unhinged."
>
> No Sir, you said Liberals alway change the subject in a response to a
> post I wrote about separating marriage from the state. I replied
> that I wasn't changing a subject, but contributing my own thought on
> the topic which had already begun.
>
> I simply replied to you with a question about Conservatives trying to
> scare people and stir up anger and hatred by fear mongering. No one
> is shouting to kill McCain or Palin at Obama rallies.
>
> You came back with some angry people threatening a woman who exists
> to be the voice of soccer moms everyhwere. I gave you some very
> clear examples and quotes from Republicans on the original topic -
> civil rights for gay couples.
>
> I did name the wrong law as the source of the debate DOMA. These
> debates were over the the 2006 Federal Marriage Amendment not the
> Defense of Marriage Act. It is the words stated that are scary. The
> amendment didn't pass.
>
> Other quotes on the same topic:
> Judiciary Committee Chairman Arlen Specter, R-Pa., said he will vote
> against the measure on the floor but allowed it to get there in part
> to give the GOP the debate party leaders believe will pay off on
> Election Day.
>
> Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid of Nevada "The reason for this
> debate is to divide our society, to pit one against another. This is
> another one of the presidents efforts to frighten, to distort, to
> distract and to confuse America. It is this administration's way of
> avoiding the tough, real problems that American citizens are
> confronted with each and every day."
>
> "It's politics. It's pandering and it's placating a core
> constituency, the evangelicals" San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom
>
> You wrote "If you are for equalizing gay rights, you have no dog in
> this Presidential hunt. Both candidates said at debate they agree
> with one another - neither will equalize the marriage rights (rather
> lack thereof) for gays."
>
> The current presidential election? I didn't bring that up at all.
> Still, I knew some have spoken up so here's their own words on the
> topic.
>
> From the VP Debate
>
> Q: Would you support expanding that beyond Alaska to the rest of the
> nation?
>
> PALIN: Well, not if it goes closer and closer towards redefining the
> traditional definition of marriage between one man and one woman. And
> unfortunately that's sometimes where those steps lead. I don't
> support defining marriage as anything but between one man and one
> woman, and I think through nuances we can go round and round about
> what that actually means. I'm being as straight up with Americans as
> I can in my non- support for anything but a traditional definition of
> marriage.
>
> Q: Let's try to avoid nuance. Do you support gay marriage?
>
> BIDEN: No. We do not support that. That is a decision to be able to
> be left to faiths.
>
> PALIN: My answer is the same as his and it is that I do not.
>
> Marriages are an institution of faith and civil unions are an
> institution of state. Sounds like Joe agrees.
>
> That famous executive experience of Palin's was often used to fight
> gay civil unions. Sarah Palin fought Alaska's civil union laws.
> Palin said she supported Alaska's decision to amend its Constitution
> to ban same-sex marriage. But she used her first veto as governor to
> block a bill that would have prohibited the state from granting
> health benefits to same-sex partners of public employees. Ms. Palin
> said she vetoed the bill because it was unconstitutional, but raised
> the possibility of amending the state Constitution so the ban could
> pass muster.
>
> Governor Sarah Palin today announced that, per the recent ruling of
> the Supreme Court of Alaska, the State of Alaska's regulations are in
> effect to begin providing state benefits to same sex partners
> beginning January 1, 2007. "The Supreme Court has ordered adoption of
> the regulations by the State of Alaska to begin providing benefits
> January 1," said Governor Palin. "We have no more judicial options.
> We may disagree with the rationale behind the ruling, but our
> responsibility is to proceed forward with the law and follow the
> Constitution."
>
> In addition to adoption of the regulations, Governor Palin signed
> HB4002 today, which calls for a statewide advisory vote, proposed by
> the Legislature during its November special session. "I disagree with
> the recent court decision because I feel as though Alaskans spoke on
> this issue with its overwhelming support for a Constitutional
> Amendment in 1998 which defined marriage as between a man and woman.
> But the Supreme Court has spoken and the state will abide.
>
> Source: Alaska Governor's Office: Press release 06-012, "Same Sex"
> Dec 20, 2006
>
> Palin said she's not out to judge anyone and has good friends who are
> gay, but that she supported the 1998 constitutional amendment.
> Elected officials can't defy the court when it comes to how rights
> are applied, she said, but she would support a ballot question that
> would deny benefits to homosexual couples. "I believe that honoring
> the family structure is that important," Palin said. She said she
> doesn't know if people choose to be gay.
>
> Source: Anchorage Daily News, "Little play," by K. Hopkins Aug 6,
> 2006
>
> Q: Do you support the Alaska Supreme Court's ruling that spousal
> benefits for state employees should be given to same-sex couples?
> A: No, I believe spousal benefits are reserved for married citizens
> as defined in our constitution.
>
> Source: Eagle Forum 2006 Gubernatorial Candidate Questionnaire Jul
> 31, 2006
> Q: In relationship to families, what are your top three priorities if
> elected governor?
> A: 1. Creating an atmosphere where parents feel welcome to choose the
> venues of education for their children.
> 2. Preserving the definition of "marriage" as defined in our
> constitution.
> 3. Cracking down on the things that harm family life: gangs, drug
> use, and infringement of our liberties including attacks on our 2nd
> Amendment rights.
>
> Source: Eagle Forum 2006 Gubernatorial Candidate Questionnaire Jul
> 31, 2006
>
> Before you conclude that I am misinterpreting Biden's civil union
> stand here's his opinion.
>
> Q: In relationship to families, what are your top three priorities if
> elected governor?
> A: 1. Creating an atmosphere where parents feel welcome to choose the
> venues of education for their children.
> 2. Preserving the definition of "marriage" as defined in our
> constitution.
> 3. Cracking down on the things that harm family life: gangs, drug
> use, and infringement of our liberties including attacks on our 2nd
> Amendment rights.
>
> Source: Eagle Forum 2006 Gubernatorial Candidate Questionnaire Jul
> 31, 2006
>
> Barack Obama
> Q: You had one supporter on a Bible tour in South Carolina who said
> that homosexuality was a curse and that he had been cured by prayer.
> Do you believe homosexuality's a curse?
> A: No.
>
> Q: Do you believe that it is something that you are born gay or that
> you can change your behavior?
>
> A: I do not believe being gay or lesbian is a choice. And so I
> disagree with [that supporter]. But part of what I hope to offer as
> president is the ability to reach to people that I don't agree with,
> and the evangelical community is one where the Democratic Party, I
> think, we have generally seen as hostile. We haven't been reaching
> out to them, and I think that if we're going to makes significant
> progress on critical issues that we face, we've got to be able to get
> beyond our comfort zones and just talk to people we don't like. I've
> tried to do is to reach out to the evangelical community and tell
> them very clearly where I disagree.
>
> Source: Meet the Press: 2007 "Meet the Candidates" series Nov 11,
> 2007
> Q: You had one supporter on a Bible tour in South Carolina who said
> that homosexuality was a curse and that he had been cured by prayer.
> Do you believe homosexuality's a curse?
> A: No.
>
> Q: Do you believe that it is something that you are born gay or that
> you can change your behavior?
>
> A: I do not believe being gay or lesbian is a choice. And so I
> disagree with [that supporter]. But part of what I hope to offer as
> president is the ability to reach to people that I don't agree with,
> and the evangelical community is one where the Democratic Party, I
> think, we have generally seen as hostile. We haven't been reaching
> out to them, and I think that if we're going to makes significant
> progress on critical issues that we face, we've got to be able to get
> beyond our comfort zones and just talk to people we don't like. I've
> tried to do is to reach out to the evangelical community and tell
> them very clearly where I disagree.
>
> Source: Meet the Press: 2007 "Meet the Candidates" series Nov 11,
> 2007
> The notion of gay marriage has been used to divide people in black
> churches. I pointed out that if there's any pastor here who can point
> out a marriage that has been broken up as a consequence of seeing two
> men or two women holding hands, then you should tell me, because I
> haven't seen any evidence of it. And if you think that issue is more
> important to the black family than the fact that black men don't have
> any jobs and are struggling in the inner cities, then I profoundly
> disagree with you.
> Source: 2007 HRC/LOGO debate on gay issues Aug 9, 2007
>
> The notion of gay marriage has been used to divide people in black
> churches. I pointed out that if there's any pastor here who can point
> out a marriage that has been broken up as a consequence of seeing two
> men or two women holding hands, then you should tell me, because I
> haven't seen any evidence of it. And if you think that issue is more
> important to the black family than the fact that black men don't have
> any jobs and are struggling in the inner cities, then I profoundly
> disagree with you.
> Source: 2007 HRC/LOGO debate on gay issues Aug 9, 2007
>
> Q: You have said in previous debates that it is up to individual
> religious denominations to decide whether or not to recognize same-
> sex marriage. What place does the church have in government-
> sanctioned civil marriages?
> A: It is my strong belief that the government has to treat all
> citizens equally. I don't think that the church should be making
> these determinations when it comes to legal rights conferred by the
> state. I do think that individual denominations have the right to
> make their own decisions as to whether they recognize same sex
> couples. My denomination, United Church of Christ, does. Other
> denominations may make a decision, and obviously, part of keeping a
> separation of churches and state is also to make sure that churches
> have the right to exercise their freedom of religion.
>
> Source: 2007 HRC/LOGO debate on gay issues Aug 9, 2007
>
> Obama may not support marriage for gays. He does support equal
> rights under civil unions. McCain on the other hand supports
> legislation that takes away the right constitutionally
>
> McCain announced his support last week for the California ballot
> measure, known as Prop. 8. "I support the efforts of the people of
> California to recognize marriage as a unique institution between a
> man and a woman, just as we did in my home state of Arizona," he said.
> Source: By Michael Finnegan and Cathleen Decker, Los Angeles Times
> Jul 2, 2008
>
> Obama has said a lot more. He's appeared in debates on LOGO. I
> don't want to be unfair to McCain here. He hasn't overtly opposed
> rights to gays. I will leave their words to speak for them.
>
> However, I never asked about the current presidential election. I
> only asked about Conservatives.
>
> If anyone is interested in how the candidates stand on different
> areas of civil rights you can visit www.onthe issues.org
>
> I don't want rights that other people cannot have. It feels
> unbalanced. I think of Laurel Hester who fought to her dying breath
> to have her hard earned pension awarded to her partner.
>
> There is sometimes no excuse for the inexcusable.
>
> BTW, I admire some aspects of the original almost altruistic
> conservative movement. Those old small government guys weren't
> trying to discriminate against any one group. The Republicans of
> yore were the party of Lincoln. If I lived, 150 years ago I would be
> a Republican. I couldn't vote, but I'd be a Republican. The
> original party founders must be looking down with horror at the
> current one. I don't doubt that quite a few living ones are too.
> I've just read an interview with one - Christopher Buckley, the son
> of William F. Buckley, Jr. I hope you're more Buckley than Bush.
>
> Best,
> Jennifer
>
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