He said what he said. We need coal to generate electricity and that is a fact. All of the pie in the sky solutions aren't in place yet and some just won't work. Wind looks to me like a good choice not too big on solar. Too much real estate for the power generated with solar. Who is going to penalize Europe, China, and India? All we will see from this is much higher utility bills, that will translate to higher food, clothing, fuel costs and we will end up paying for it. All in a recession.
--- On Tue, 11/4/08, Jersey Shore John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Jersey Shore John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Obama's Birth Certificate Verified To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 4:20 PM "Note carefully what Obama is saying here: He wants a cap-and-trade program that would set a price for greenhouse-gas emissions. That would make it prohibitively expensive to build new conventional coal plants, because they emit vast amounts of carbon. Yet that's not the way the Business Roundtable, a marketing organization for a coalition of Western CEOs, puts it. Its release says Obama's proposal would make it impossible to build "advanced clean coal power plants with carbon capture and sequestration. " Actually, if the technology to capture and bury carbon emissions from coal plants existed (it's still under study, and may never be commercially viable), such a plant would emit only trace amounts of carbon, and thus be perfectly viable under Obama's cap-and-trade scheme. http://opinion. latimes.com/ opinionla/ 2008/11/obama- coal-pali. html This is why business groups get a bad name for trying to "greenwash" environmentally destructive projects: The roundtable clearly objects to Obama's stance on dirty, conventional coal, but in order to look as if it cares about the environment, it's pretending that Obama actually opposes carbon-capture technology, which he has repeatedly backed (that's what Obama meant when he said "if technology allows us to use coal in a clean way, we should pursue it"). The Business Roundtable still could take a few pointers on Doublespeak, though, from the master: Palin. In a campaign appearance in Ohio, Palin brought up the same YouTube tape to blast Obama's stance on coal. He said that, sure, if the industry wants to build new coal-fired plants, then they can go ahead and try. . . but they can do it only in a way that will bankrupt the coal industry, and he's comfortable letting that happen. What Palin neglected to mention is that the guy she's running with, John McCain, favors a cap-and-trade program very similar to Obama's, which would have the exact same impact on conventional coal plants. No matter who wins, the coal industry is going to be in trouble. Maybe after the election we can all stop pretending otherwise." On Nov 4, 2008, at 3:48 PM, justifiedright wrote: > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, "Gabrielle Obre" > <gabrielleobre@ ...> > wrote: > > > > mccain and obama have the same position on coal mike. > > http://wonkroom. thinkprogress. org/2008/ 11/02/obama- coal-plants/ > > I don't recall McCain's promise to bankrupt a coal company with carbon > taxes, Gabbi. Can you show that to me? > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
