Yes, Tom has a point and if you can look past his Rovian way of attacking and/or manipulating the positions of those who come from a different perspective he usually does. He's one of the smartest people on this board and could bring a great, thought provoking alternative view to many of the discussions. But his debate tactics result in a discounting of the ideas he's actually articulating and make the argument more about him than about the point of view. Unfortunate, but also clearly exactly the way he likes it.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Gabrielle Obre" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I know Tommy is frustrating sometimes, but look at his position as if > you just met the guy. Don't think about what he's "always" doing. Look > at it with beginners mind. > > If you are against Columbus Day and and for Kwanzaa, you've got some > things to reconcile. And you are probably a guilt laden whitish > person. They are both cultural and both have some hard meaning and > soft myth woven into them. > > Columbus didn't discover america and he was a brute. yet the day has > held importance for a long time in this country. what if columbus is > merely a symbol of each of our own "discovery" of America? > > Kwanzaa is a relatively recent celebration of a diverse culture and > country that has suffered greatly (and is still..the rabid investment > in that place scares me). More importantly, there are so many in this > community that are intimately connected to African culture. > > It seems perfect that these two exist together. They both have > validity. it seems the fairest thing to do is treat them equally from > the city point of view and let the communities decide their importance > with personal and/or commercial support. > > thats the question, how does the city treat them? > > but tommy's got a point with the columbus day bashers. and i have > been one of them. > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" > <justifiedright@> wrote: > > > > Newbie and AsburyCouple, > > > > By Strawman you two are alleging that I have misstated Mario's > > position. > > > > The sure test of that is for Mario to state it to see if it is > > different than I said. > > > > You two however, having thrown the allegation at me, are then > > asserting you know his position. > > > > So prove yourself right. > > > > State Mario's position. Compare and contrast to what I said it was to > > show how what I said is different. > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "asburycouple" <asburycouple@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Those kind of "tactics" in his arguments is why for the most part > > > I've stopped getting into political discussions with Tom on the > > > board. It just gets old... > > > > > > Unfortunate, because stepping past the BS I believe he has much to > > > add... > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, MarioAPNJ@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Observe below. The tactic of introducing words never > > > uttered: "clam up" > > > > and "insists." > > > > > > > > The "Straw Man" technique. > > > > > > > > Another apple of discord from the Temple of Eris. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 11/9/2008 9:41:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > > > justifiedright@ writes: > > > > > > > > Hey Newb, > > > > > > > > Tell me how you define "stirring the pot" and "discussing an > > > issue." > > > > > > > > You are a person with a lot to say. Don't clam up because Mario > > > > insists you do. > > > > > > > > > > > > **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes > > and > > > all other > > > > Holiday needs. Search Now. > > > > > > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol? > > > redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from > > > > -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
