Could you fix that email address?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <dfsavgny@...> wrote:
>
>
> Please send your comments in in writing. You are preaching to the choir. The
> official venue is
>
> The committee's summary was to be available on the city website:
> cityofasburypark.com. The planning department is seeking additional feedback
> and comments until Sept. 30. Those comments can be emailed to
> asburyplanning@... or mailed to Asbury Park City Hall, Attention: WRP
> Committee, One Municpal Plaza, Asbury Park, 07712.
>
>
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "arcman210" <acme87rangers@> wrote:
> >
> > It's no question that the summer stage should move eventually (personally I
> > hope sooner than later) and the rebuilt Casino Arena portion would make a
> > great "Stone Pony Theatre" where large Stone Pony concerts could be held.
> > But the original building should never be considered for relocation.
> >
> > My concern is that the wording in the report seems to state the Stone Pony
> > in general should be moved. On page 13 of the summary, points four and
> > five of the Committee's reccomendation:
> >
> > 4. The existing requirement that The Stone Pony remain in its present
> > location should be removed.
> > 5. The Stone Pony building is shown as a conditional building on the
> > Development Control Plan, maximum building heights should be established
> > for this area.
> >
> > This instantly sounds (at least to me) as if the building is not
> > significant to warrant being incorporated into future development on the
> > site, and should be removed from the plan. I'm just saying this as an
> > outside observer (with the highest respect for all of the work that has
> > gone into this). If the Stone Pony building itself is important, it should
> > specifically be designated as a seperate entity from the Summer Stage so
> > that there is no confusion as to what can happen to it down the road.
> >
> > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <dfsavgny@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Well since the Pony and all that property is privately owned we (you, me,
> > > city) cant tell them what to do with it. But I think its our
> > > recommendation that the summer stage move eventually. I see no problem
> > > with interior performance spaces on Ocean with residences if you
> > > soundproof them. Personally I would not want to see the physical Pony
> > > moved. I am even ok with leaving the summer stage there but I cant see
> > > how you can build residences next to it. These are my personal opinions.
> > >
> > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > So is leaving the Pony as is, for indoor entertainment (non summer
> > > > stage usage) and building a Summer stage on the casino site (strictly
> > > > outdoor usage) an option being discussed?
> > > >
> > > > Or is the Pony not going to be used as a music venue at all, and all
> > > > Pony entertainment being moved to Casino site?
> > > >
> > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: "dfsavgny" <dfsavgny@>
> > > > Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 14:17:41
> > > > To: <AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Reason for Cookman ave closure?
> > > >
> > > > I do not think its clear from the recommendations. And I think it was
> > > > the concerns I had which is the incompatibility of intense
> > > > entertainment and residential uses on the same site(s). The City
> > > > learned its lesson as well on that with Cookman. That's why proper
> > > > zoning specifies uses etc in certain areas.
> > > >
> > > > In the original plan, the southern end of Ocean Ave is supposed to be
> > > > the heart of intense entertainment uses. In reality, those uses are
> > > > allowed almost anywhere in the waterfront area under the current plan.
> > > > So if we agree that the southern end and especially the end of Cookman
> > > > and Asbury and Ocean is what I called "ground zero", then you have to
> > > > consider what's compatible and what's not. I voiced concern that if you
> > > > wanted to have intense entertainment uses (like the Pony's Summer
> > > > Stage) on Ocean Ave, how could you develop residences above these uses
> > > > on the same blocks? And if you agreed then that would preclude (in my
> > > > mind) residences on most, if not all of the blocks between Ocean and
> > > > Kingsley.
> > > >
> > > > That of course was not going to be given up by the developer. And so
> > > > keeping in mind that you can soundproof etc (expensive) I think we are
> > > > recommending that the Pony building stay and be incorporated in
> > > > developments (similar to what you suggest) but that the summer stage be
> > > > moved to the demolished Casino site. What the committee is recommending
> > > > is that entertainment uses become less intense along Ocean as you head
> > > > north and to make the most intense uses be at Ground Zero. Reasonable I
> > > > think.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "arcman210" <acme87rangers@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Is there a reason or clarification as to why the Stone Pony was
> > > > > viewed as removable from the site? (pardon my ignorance if this has
> > > > > already been explained, but in the report I couldn't find reasoning
> > > > > behind this move)
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <dfsavgny@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <dsher4@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Rather than attack i will ask dan what the reason for the Cookman
> > > > > > > avenue closure is? at first blush i don't agree with it either
> > > > > > > but perhaps there is a logical reason. Dan can you please
> > > > > > > comment?
> > > > > > > Thank you
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If you were at the meeting it was explained. The committee is
> > > > > > against it. We essentially killed it when proposed by the
> > > > > > developer. What we did at the end, just to be fair was say okay,
> > > > > > you (Partners) pay for an independent traffic consultant to study
> > > > > > the proposal and its effect on traffic. The developer's idea was to
> > > > > > create this great big public plaza. We think we already have one
> > > > > > further east. But you have to keep in mind how we approached this
> > > > > > entire process. To be open minded and fair. Personally I do not
> > > > > > think it has a chance but lets see what the traffic consultant
> > > > > > says. So in reality, and what maybe is not too clear from the
> > > > > > documents is that the committee really rejected the idea and is
> > > > > > only recommending that a traffic consultant and the city engineer
> > > > > > look into it.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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