How can you economically compare Hoboken, JC and Manhattan to downtown AP realistically? The income levels are totally different.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Claire Davids <claire.davids@...> wrote: > > We have to compare it to other towns though, if you lived and worked in > Hoboken, Jersey City, Manhattan in the downtown areas you would have to pay > for parking (when we lived in NY we paid nearly $000s/month for parking for > a car and motorbike), it's a lifestyle choice we had to accept. Living in > AP and working in AP is no different to that, much cheaper, but you would > expect it to be much cheaper as it's the "suburbs". It's tough to impose > costs on people who have not paid them until now, and I understand that is > not pleasant to increase your cost of living and I truly feel for those > impacted, but perhaps we've not been in a reality until now. > > It's not dissimilar to gas pricing, when gas was $1.50/gallon it was not a > reality, the rest of the world was paying $5 to $10 / gallon if not an oil > producing nation. So when it raised to $3 / $4 here it put the country in a > real situation as opposed to a deflated one. I don't mean to bring this up > to raise a debate on gas prices here or cause some political debate, i'm > just using it as a comparison about living in reality. > > > > On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Hinge <hinge98@...> wrote: > > > ** > > > > > > The bottom line in my opinion is people coming to the downtown area to eat > > are happy to find open parking spaces, but the reality is that during > > working hours, downtown has become a ghosttown, and tons of people aren't > > happy about it. The city has basically said screw you to employees and > > residents. Same thing that happened in my neighborhood. > > I think the America's Cup guy is reluctant to admit that his own push for > > paid parking has had a detrimental effect on his business. > > I work on Bond Street. Every employee at my company refused to buy a > > parking pass. In this economy, adding what amounts to another tax on your > > income simply isn't a good idea. Not only that, but I believe that if you > > buy the employee parking pass, you still have to park blocks away from where > > you work. Correct me if I'm wrong about that one. Then, if you get somebody > > like me, who now has to pay to park in front of his home and works downtown, > > you are screwed. How is this helping residents and employees? > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Claire Davids <claire.davids@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Take the conversation further with the Americas Cup owner though, my > > husband > > > and i spoke to him last saturday for a while about parking and at that > > > point he was very happy with the paid parking, even if business is down > > he > > > sees it as a huge benefit in the long term, plus you can't gauge business > > > being down, there are now 3 coffee shops downtown (if you include the > > gelato > > > place), maybe that's why business is down, we don't drink enough coffee > > to > > > support 3 coffee shops. maybe now there's parking people will come from > > > neighbouring towns for coffee. there are way too many variables at play > > to > > > blame it one just one thing. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Hinge <hinge98@> wrote: > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yesterday morning, I stopped at America's Cup for a bagel. Totally dead > > > > compared to before parking went into effect. I overheard a conversation > > with > > > > the owner saying that business is down big time. Same thing with Russo > > > > Music. They are saying that they had the worst week of business since > > they > > > > opened. > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" <hinge98@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Meanwhile, several of the business's that lobbied for paid parking > > are > > > > stating that business has gone downhill since it went into effect. > > > > > There's also unhappy people north of the parking zone in the > > residential > > > > neighborhoods. Scores of employee's who are not willing to pay to park > > are > > > > now parking in those areas. It really gets bad when the school in that > > > > neighborhood gets out. There used to be open parking for people to stop > > and > > > > wait for their kids, now it's become a log jam that did not exist > > before. > > > > > Also, there were 3 break in's this past week, 2 on Mattison and 1 on > > > > Cookman. > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Claire Davids <claire.davids@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm with you, I avoided too - now i don't avoid, i think it's great > > > > that i > > > > > > can find parking. If you talk to some of the retailers they're > > happy > > > > about > > > > > > the parking situation and it has increased business for them. There > > are > > > > > > always going to be complainers, it's human nature, if it wasn't > > parking > > > > > > they'd be complaining about the roadworks, or the weather or the > > > > something > > > > > > else, something else. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 9:32 AM, fancypaaantz <fancypaaantz@ > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I came in 2004, America's Cup was not here until much later. In > > 2004, > > > > there > > > > > > > was Harry's Roadhouse, Rock Paper Scissors, Be Green and Janet's > > > > boutique on > > > > > > > Cookman, with a few other things. When did America's Cup open? > > 2008? > > > > When I > > > > > > > first moved here, I just parked on Lake bc there was always > > parking > > > > over > > > > > > > there at that time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quite honestly, I kind of avoided Cookman BC of the parking > > situation > > > > in > > > > > > > more recent years. I could never find a spot and I find that > > annoying > > > > if I > > > > > > > just want to run in somewhere for something quick. So, I think it > > > > really > > > > > > > cuts both ways. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where were these patrons (that are suddenly gone from the > > downtown) > > > > > > > parking before the meters went into effect? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: Dennis Dubrow <traderdube@> > > > > > > > > Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 08:42:37 > > > > > > > > To: <AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > Subject: [AsburyPark] 2003 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Asbury is a ghost town, I spoke to a number of Cookman > > retailers, > > > > > > > business is down since the meters went into effect. It reminds me > > of > > > > 8 years > > > > > > > ago when we bulls some stores and rented them, then America's cup > > > > opened and > > > > > > > we sat there waiting for a customer to come in...and waited and > > > > waited and > > > > > > > waited. The merchants that are still there, and almost all the > > > > current > > > > > > > merchants are hard working business people, not weekend warriors > > > > looking for > > > > > > > a tax write off by opening a store...and then never opening. The > > high > > > > taxes, > > > > > > > the extraordinary cost of opening a business in AP, and now the > > > > parking > > > > > > > meters that don't even work are a detriment to downtown Asbury in > > a > > > > huge > > > > > > > way. Occupay AP should be railing against this travesty of a > > money > > > > grab by > > > > > > > the powers that be in city hall. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! 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