Hi Pascal, great points, I will comment below.. On Jun 10, 2009, at 4:17 PM, Pascal Dreissen wrote:
> I don't now if you followed the story about the old forum / wiki a few > months ago. A little, in that mostly I used to know where to go to find things, and one day, I could not go there anymore. > The old forum and wiki were managed by Michael E. which he 'sponsored' > to the ASSP community. > > However after a dispute with Fritz, he pulled the plug and all data / > forum etc.. was gone, and not anyone who could do anything about that. > That's why Fritz decided to put everything at SF, so that the > information (wiki / forum) always will be available and can not be > destroyed by one person. I agree this is a concern, and it is why I made certain to state that a google group would have multiple admins. > You mention, that you have questions about the privacy of SF. The more > strange it is that you want to move everything to Google Groups (the > biggest BB of Internet). Google groups allows full account deletion. Maybe my issue is not so much who holds the data, but the fact that SF.net is non responsive. I had a friend who had someone user a similar name to him on SF.net, and it caused him trouble in getting a job for mistaken identity. SF.net would not even reply to emails, and when they did, they were canned emails. Finally, getting a human on the line, 9 months later, and they state, we can not delete accounts. SF.net just does not have the features I feel are needed, and I do not see them coming any time soon. > You are absolutly right when it comes to the fragmentation of the > information available, and you mention also a few points which i think > are pretty ok. > >> 1) Merge the forums and mailing list > > You have a point here, problem is that with the standard SF tooling > this is from my point of view impossible. Agreed. Shame, SF.net is so huge, but they are not moving forward with good tools for users or developers. >> 3) Bug tracker > > There is one, but as far as i know the developers don't use it or > don't want to use it, Fritz or Thomas can comment on this one maybe. If they do not want to use a tracker, that is fine, they are the ones doing the development. A changelog is still mandatory in my opinion. >> 3a) Changelogs > > Nope there aren't any. Also CVS isn't used, Again i think these 2 > tools would make a huge forward in defragmenting a lott of things. > However it is not my call and Fritz wants to do it his way (which i > respect btw). The changelog is a huge source of contention with me. Some find it rough to interact with developers. They should not have to even ask if a bug has been resolved, this should be able to be figured out by looking at a changelog. I sent anther email that points out some of the issues of lack of a changelog. >> 4) iworld.de/homes/assp/ > > Afaik all the data available on this site is already in the wiki. Good to know, thank you. So why not remove it then? I do not want to have users wondering which is more up to date. >> 5) Home page ( http://assp.sourceforge.net/ ) > > I think you have a point here, that would make sense to me also. > > Putting everything on google groups is something i would love to > discuss or to investigate. That would mean that the forums and the old > mailing list need to be closed down, i don't think i am egiable to > make this call. If Fritz gives a go for this, and other users also > want this to happen i am more than willing to make this happen. I have a feeling there are too few users here to join in a voice to make it happen. That is only a problems because of everything we have talked about thus far though. Thanks for the discussion. -- Scott * If you contact me off list replace talklists@ with scott@ * ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects _______________________________________________ Assp-test mailing list Assp-test@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/assp-test
