I wonder why it called the HIGHEST tuning of the lute in Balcarres? Any theories?
Rob www.robmackillop.net On 24 Oct 2011, at 20:22, Andreas Schlegel <lute.cor...@sunrise.ch> wrote: > Oh dear! You're right! > > Wemyss has edeff - and this tuning is called: > Ton de tierce par B [natural] (34-D-Us 132, S. 64); > Tuning Gautier (18-Pickering, Fol. 45); > accord nouveau par [natural] quarre (45-Mersenne 1636-I, S.91a); > B quare (20-S-N 1122, Fol. 1); > Pecard (38-CH-Zz 907, Fol. 18 und 21v); > sharp; The sharp tun uhich called gautirs tune (13-Wemyss, Fol. 26v); > The highest tuening of the lute (1-Balcarres, S. 216) > > And dedff is called: > Le ton rauissant (31-US-R 186, S. 55); > b�mol (38-CH-Zz 907, Fol. 6 etc.); > flat, flatt (13-Wemyss, Fol. 32v etc.); > flat tuning (26-GB-Ob E 411, Fol. 78) > > The third tuning with a name in Wemyss is dedfe: flat (13-Wemyss Fol. 39v) - > and it's not the same as dedff, of course. > > Sorry, I took Rob's terminology Harp Flat and Harp Sharp with Harp as > searching word in the tuning database... and the results of tuning and old > terminology are: > > fdeff: > ton de harpe de B [natural] et Ton de la harpe par [natural] (34-D-Us 132, S. > 58 und Fol. IVv) > Ton de la harpe par b dur (2-CH Bu 53, Fol. 19v) > harpway (36-Board, Fol. 32v) > The highest tuning of the lute with 1st string tuned up half a note > (1-Balcarres, S. 218 � so it's a variant of edeff) > > and fedff: > Ton de la Harpe par b mol, Ton de la harpe par b (34-D-Us 132, S. 66 und IVv) > Ton de la harpe par b mol (2-CH-Bu 53, Fol. 25v) > Harpe-way, Tuning flat-way or Lawrence (18-Pickering, Fol. 44) > > That was exactly the reason to take the Traficante system and not other > terms: There's no consistent use of the terminology of these tunings in old > times. But the Traficante system is really clear - and a practical help. > > Andreas > > > Am 24.10.2011 um 19:58 schrieb Mathias R�sel: > >> Erm, yes, and that's not what's in the Wemyss ms. The Wemyss ms. has edeff >> (sharp tuning) and dedff (flat tuning), ascribing them their respective >> names. >> >> Mathias >> >>> -----Urspr�ngliche Nachricht----- >>> Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im >>> Auftrag von Andreas Schlegel >>> Gesendet: Montag, 24. Oktober 2011 16:13 >>> An: ar...@student.matnat.uio.no >>> Cc: Rob MacKillop; baroque lute list >>> Betreff: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Adew Dundee - Scottish Lute Video >>> >>> You can also have a look on this page on the Accords nouveaux (at moment >> only >>> in German and partially in French): >>> http://www.accordsnouveaux.ch/de/index.html >>> >>> The "Ton de la Harpe par b mol" is fedff in the Traficante-system (see >>> http://www.accordsnouveaux.ch/de/Abhandlung/Accords/Accords.html) - with >>> 173 pieces in 11 sources The "Ton de la harpe par b dur" is fdeff - with >> 121 >>> pieces in 15 sources >>> see: >>> http://www.accordsnouveaux.ch/de/Abhandlung/Accords/Accords_Darstellung >>> /Accords_Darstellung.html >>> >>> Scroll down to obtain a detailled list - and have then a look on the links >> on >>> http://www.accordsnouveaux.ch/de/Abhandlung/Datenbank_PAN/Datenbank_ >>> PAN.html >>> >>> You can choose the >>> http://www.accordsnouveaux.ch/de/DownloadD/files/PAN_Acc_Ton_Source.p >>> df and the you know where the pieces can be found. >>> >>> Andreas >>> >>> >>> Am 24.10.2011 um 15:41 schrieb ar...@student.matnat.uio.no: >>> >>>>> >>>>>>> The original scores are in harp sharp or harp flat tunings, >>>>>> >>>>>> what exactly are these tunings? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Are >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> With a 10c lute in Renaissance tuning... >>>>> >>>>> Harp Sharp - tune the first string down to E, the second string down >>>>> to C >>>>> >>>>> Harp Flat - first string Eb, second string C >>>>> >>>>> Lots of music in these tunings! >>>> >>>> Thank you! >>>> >>>> >>>> Are >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> To get on or off this list see list information at >>>> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > --
