Hi guys, thanks for all responses, I hope to find more insight about this.
here is the interview in which Jim make the statement http://www.infoq.com/interviews/coplien-dci-architecture Minute 8:08 Erlis On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Bert Freudenberg <b...@freudenbergs.de>wrote: > Maybe Trygve will explain? Not sure if he's reading the newbies list > though. CC'ing. > > - Bert - > > On 21.06.2011, at 16:27, Ron Teitelbaum wrote: > > Hi Erlis,**** > ** ** > Class based language is very difficult for some people to grasp. I’ve > trained a number of programmers. There is this AH moment when people get > it. Before that the idea is just so foreign to them that they have a > difficult time grasping what is going on. I would often get the question, > “but where do I put the code”. The answer is everywhere. Thinking in terms > of objects and programming their behavior makes sense. People get that. > Make a Robot and teach it how to walk. If I tell the robot to walk she > does. Ok great. Now I have all these objects that do stuff where do I put > the code? This is where people stumble. In my opinion the leap to > understanding is very short. The answer is simple. (Answer: It depends on > how you want to interact with the user). **** > ** ** > I do not believe that anything is screwed up. It is just a conceptual > model that requires AH!**** > ** ** > All the best,**** > ** ** > *Ron Teitelbaum* > Immersive Collaboration Expert**** > *3d Immersive Collaboration Consulting*** > r...@3dicc.com**** > Follow me on Twitter**** > twitter.com/RonTeitelbaum**** > *www.3dicc.com***** > ** ** > ** ** > ** ** > *From:* beginners-boun...@lists.squeakfoundation.org [mailto: > beginners-boun...@lists.squeakfoundation.org] *On Behalf Of *Erlis Vidal > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 21, 2011 9:47 AM > *To:* smalltalk > *Subject:* [Newbies] I don't get it**** > ** ** > Hi guys, > > I was reading recently Jim Coplien ideas about DCI and I was surprised with > the following statement: > > *"The Smalltalk people, when they put together Smalltalk originally the > computational model was exactly right, in terms of thinking in terms of > objects. And then they screwed it up with the language. The language is so > class focused! Most languages that we’re saddled with today had made this > error." > * > you can find it here: > http://blog.redtexture.net/2010/06/01/coplien-on-dci-mvc/ > > Does someone knows what Jim is criticizing? In which sense the > computational model was screwed by the language? I see smalltalk as a > language that express very well the intended computational model behind. > > But that's just me, maybe some of you could help me to understand Jim's > point. > > Thanks > Erlis**** > _______________________________________________ > Beginners mailing list > Beginners@lists.squeakfoundation.org > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Beginners mailing list > Beginners@lists.squeakfoundation.org > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners > >
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