Well given how I've been helping with the ragonFM one....why not. I mean, if anyone I know canmake this work. It's you. You do great stuff with terminal programs so you're the first one I thought of. I don't have the email to hand but there's a list of 6 or 7 points yes...I'll shoot you an email off list and see if Rinheart wants in on thisApr 13, 2022 at 09:35:40PM +0200, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > Howdy, > > Do i understand correctly, you wanna hire me to develop a command line > browser? > > its a good amount of work but very doable utilizing a modern browser engine. > > Well i could definitely do this. > If you are serious, you can contact me per mail if there is something > concrete: > chrys (at) linux-a11y.org > > I‘m a kind of a daywalker. I‘m not blind by my own. My girlfriend and a lot > of friends are. So i know very well whats needed to make pseudo UIs for > command line optimized for screenreader. I created my own screen reader > (fenrir in just a couple of weeks and learned a lot while doing that. All > That makes me really efficient working on accessibility related software and > was also the reason why i was hired by F123 at its time. > > My December project was completely reworking OCRdesktop ( if you know that). > In the last couple of months i continue working on orca for an plugin driven > architecture. I also added an OCR plugin for testing ;). Quite basic right > now but fully functional. Currently i concentrate on rework orcas settings > handling to be decentral for the plugin architecture. Thats really a chal > and takes a couple of month (a lot of work needed and i do it mostly in my > spare time, so i have to pay my bills first ;), but once complete,we can > remove a lot of smelling old code after that ) > > Cheers chrys > > > Am 13.04.2022 um 18:39 schrieb Linux for blind general discussion > > <blinux-list@redhat.com>: > > > > I'm mostly sure Google's foisitng standard view on everyone nowadays, they > > are supposed to be nixing third party stuff in May or June however so... > > > > And yes. I too want that text mode browser. I think we need to figure out a > > way to pool resources and grab Chrys87 on Github and go here, can you make > > this, we've got X amount of resources, money, food, beer, coffeee, cats, > > etc, so how much do you need to make it? I mean. I want that text mode > > browser. There's bits and pieces in existing browsers, yes but nobody's > > ever packaged them all together. > > > > The reason I said Chrys is because....1. I'm half expecting Chrys to leap > > in here and go you want me to do what? But the bigger reason is, well, look > > at DragonFM, it shows that you can have a console file manager with desktop > > like shortcuts that does all the functionality of something like Caja or > > Nautlius, but in a terminal, with standard keyboard shortcuts. > > > > Now if that browser got made, and I could ditch FF, I probably would. > > No...Brow.sh isn't a suitable replacement, not by a long shot. I can rig up > > startx to do Orca+Firefox, sure, but.... > > > >> On Wed, Apr 13, 2022 at 04:30:18PM +0000, Linux for blind general > >> discussion wrote: > >> I think the most important things to remember here are that: > >> > >> 1. People are different and that's okay. > >> > >> 2. Blind people are just as diverse as people in general. > >> > >> At the end of the day, debating Mutt versus Thunderbird has about as > >> much impact as debating Coke versus Pepsi. Hardcore fans of either > >> aren't likely to change their mind for any reason, there's no way of > >> doing an objective comparison, and just as how which cola is better > >> comes down to the individual's tastebuds, which e-mail client is > >> easier to setup and use ultimately comes down to which software > >> idiosyncrasies the end user is more comfortable with. > >> > >> Though, for what it's worth, just as I'm not a fan of colas and much > >> prefer Dr. Pepper when it comes to caramel colored fizzy drinks, I'm > >> not a fan of e-mail clients and prefer to just use my e-mail's web > >> interface... and the last time I checked my e-mail on a machine other > >> than my personal one, doing so was as simple as launching Firefox, > >> typing gmail.google.com into the address bar, entering my e-mail > >> address and password, and then once logged in, I just used what of > >> NVDA's navigational hotkeys matched Orca's to check level 3 headings > >> for how many unread messages were in my inbox and spam, and jump to > >> the checkbox on the first message in the message list... Granted, that > >> was years ago, so its entirely possible paranoid security on Google's > >> part would make logging in difficult, and they might try forcing me to > >> use their bogged down with JavaScript standard view instead of > >> respecting my preference for the HTML view. > >> > >> Granted, the only time I've ever used an e-mail client was theGmail > >> app on android 2.2 back when I still had a working eyeball, so I > >> suspect I'd find both Mutt and Thunderbird perplexing if I ever gave > >> them a try, and the only things I know about SMTP, pop3, and imap is > >> the first stands for simple mail transfer protocol and they all have > >> something to do with the technical details of e-mail most people are > >> ignorant of... Though, I'd probably give Mutt or Alpine a try befor > >> Thunderbird or whatever Chromium's companion e-mail client is called > >> if only because my setup doesn't really let me run GUI applications > >> other than Firefox. > >> > >> And while I agree the massive overlap in key bindings makes switching > >> between GUI applications easy, and its great that Micro exists for > >> those wanting to reduce their GUI dependence without having to learn > >> an editor with key bindings that predate standardization, I must > >> confess that I'm so used to nano's key bindings that I wish I could > >> make Firefox switch over to nano-like bindings when I focuse a > >> multi-line textbox and the only modern convention I miss when typing > >> in nano is the ability to select text by holding shift and using > >> arrow/navigation keys... > >> > >> Honestly, the application I most want that doesn't seem to exist would > >> probably be a text-mode web browser that: > >> > >> 1. Arrow and navigation keys move around the page like in an editor. > >> > >> 2. Has Firefox-like keybindings for all the common web browser functions. > >> > >> 3. Has Orca-like keybindings for page navigation. > >> > >> 4. Has a browse/focus mode toggle equivalent to Orca+A. > >> > >> 5. Forces pages with multi-column layouts into single column for > >> presentation(or at least as the option to)... This is to avoid > >> situations where a console screen reader tries to interleave text from > >> a list of links in the left column with the page's main content in the > >> center/right column. > >> > >> 6. Supports the functional aspects of JavaScript, HTML5, etc. while > >> ignoring the eyecandy aspects. > >> > >> 7. Disables rich web content by default, but has a keyboard shortcut > >> to activate it for the current page and a menu for fine tuning which > >> rich content is allowed, and whether the allowance is temporary or > >> permanent(essentially providing No-Script-like functionality). > >> > >> 8. embeds nano(or the text-mode text editor of the user's choice) > >> within focused textboxes(so, if I wanted to post the contents of a > >> file on my hard drive via a web form, instead of opening a second tab, > >> navigating to the file on my system, and copy and pasting it into the > >> form, I could just go into thetext box, get an embedded nano window, > >> and use Nano's insert from another file command... and if there's > >> multiple files, I could just do that repeatedly... and unlike with > >> Firefox's address bar, I'd have tab completion for getting the path to > >> the file). > >> > >> 9. The ability to import bookmarks, saved passwords, etc. from a > >> Firefox(and other popular browsers) profile would be a nice bonus, > >> especially if it was done via a supplementary package that could be > >> removed after migrating. > >> > >> There are probably other features I'd want in my dream text-mode web > >> browser, but something that provides a remotely similar browsing > >> experience to Firefox+Orca would be amazing and would probably be > >> enough to make me ditch the GUI altogether... though I confess, a > >> simple means of launching arbitrary GUI applications in a kiosk-like > >> manner with Orca would be nice for those rare occasions I'm curious to > >> give a GUI application a try... sadly, maintaining a full desktop is > >> over kill with how much I live in the GUI, and the script I use to > >> launch Firefox with Orca suffers from crippling overspecialization and > >> its someone else's work that I don't begin to understand how to adapt > >> to applications beyond the handful it was designed for. > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Blinux-list mailing list > >> Blinux-list@redhat.com > >> https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Blinux-list mailing list > > Blinux-list@redhat.com > > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
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