As with most things, I don't see it so cut-and-dry. You are not really talking "responsibility", you are talking "moral culpability" I believe.
And I don't think it falls on any one group. Israel is culpable for firing the weapon. And for allowing the situation to sink to the point they have to. Hamas is culpable for "forcing" Israel to fire, knowing full well the consequences of their actions. The civilians who elected Hamas are culpable for making terrorists their elected government, knowing full well the type of government to expect. The civilians who allow rocket launchers on their apartment rooftops are culpable. Iran and Syria and China are culpable for arming Hamas with rockets. The Arab countries are responsible for forcing the Palestinians into those camps, and using them as pawns. Egypt is culpable for keeping the Gaza borders locked down. America is culpable for arming Israel. And for not forcing a better solution 10 years ago. and 20. and 40. There are degrees of culpability. But I guess here is my bottom line (that these talks have helped me solidify). There is no excuse or reason for Hamas to fire rockets into Israel. None. Zero. Not helping their cause, not helping their people, not helping their military objectives. The ONLY point for them to fire is to force a response from Israel, causing destruction and death to their own people, and then crying foul. They are the Suarez of the Middle East. Ow! Hit hit my mouth! All else flows from those rockets. And nothing else good will come to them while that is their only tactic. On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 12:18 PM, Scott Stroz <boyz...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hamas would be responsible for any deaths from those missiles. > > Israel would be responsible for any deaths resulting from any counter > attacks. > > As I mentioned to Sam, I think you guys are conflating the words > 'responsible' and 'justified'. > > I am not talking about whether any of these actions is justified, rather, > who is responsible for the deaths. > > > On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 10:06 AM, LRS Scout <lrssc...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > So over night the Israelis took part in a cease fire organized by Egypt. > > > > Hamas chose not to take part and fired 50 additional missiles > > On Jul 15, 2014 9:56 AM, "Sam" <sammyc...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > If you're going to analogize, at least put it in perspective. > > > Let's say ranchers in CA, TX and AZ constantly fired missiles into > > > Mexico every day. Mexico tells the US government to make them stop or > > > they will fire back and the US did nothing. Then, Mexico called, > > > emailed, texted and dropped leaflets to the houses, churches and > > > schools that were firing the missiles explaining when and where the > > > bombs would land. If the ranchers rallied more people to go to the > > > target sites to die for the cause than that's on the ranchers and the > > > people that showed up at the scheduled time. Unless Mexico went to the > > > sites and checked, how would they know if civilians were there? Then > > > you have to say to yourself, if these people are willing to die to > > > send a message, they are probably willing to strap a bomb on and go to > > > a crowded market so good riddance. But no, the Mexican government > > > sends more notices pleading people to leave the targets at the given > > > times, they use more precise weapons to limit casualties and they > > > still get called the terrorist. It's called propaganda and you are > > > buying into it. > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 10:33 PM, Scott Stroz <boyz...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > > OK..so if Mexico launched an attack on the White House and civilians > > that > > > > lived or worked near the intended target died, Mexico would be > absolved > > > of > > > > those deaths as long as they warned us ahead of time? > > > > > > > > And, sorry, but they are still 'people'. maybe not people we like, > but > > > > people nonetheless. > > > > > > > > Again, absolutely befuddled this is coming from you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:371550 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
