Remy Maucherat wrote: >>> >>However, if you guys tried to work with us from the outset, much of this >>confusion would never have risen. >> > > Maybe at that time we *didn't* want to work together for some very specific > reasons. After all, the original commons proposal, which I was part of, > was -1ed only by Peter, because we apparently had diverging opinions about > how shared code should be governed. > Given the number of components in the commons, I think it has been quite > successful with its goals, and it did abide by its basic principles > (openness, bazaar style repository, extremely few external dependencies, no > imposed coding style, etc etc).
Hmmm. Remy, I have to say this sounds quite petty. > I'm also greatly disturbed by the timing and the ferocity of your > complaints. AFAIK, nobody here did invent the facade pattern or the Logger > interface (or whatever you choose to call it). It seems Rodney came up with > something similar to LogKit by accident. Timing maybe, ferocity? If you think that is ferocity, then you haven't had any kind of debate yet. Seriously though, if I had known that this project was started before we had our own Logger abstraction, I could have championed the cause for Avalon. As it is now, we can't very well go back and deprecate yet again what is supposed to be a stable API. By choosing not to work with us openly, you have kept the Avalon community from the benefits of your work. All for a seemingly petty reason. I have dealt with Peter on a number of occasions, and I really appreciate the guy. He is very oppinionated, its true, but he *can* be convinced. You just have to be persistent, and explain your thinking clearly. The "I 'tried' and gave up" attitude is bad. > Now, if all you want is some credit for "being there", then so be it, you > have it :) You just could have asked it a lot sooner and in a lot nicer way. Sooner, no. Nicer way, possibly. > Scott added that: "That is the past. This is the present, and I WANT Avalon > and commons to work in harmony, not dischord." > Well, maybe, but the present still reminds me of the past a lot :-( > Hopefully, that's the last time it happens. Well, perhaps we can both get over ourselves and just move on. I'm willing to burry the hatchet if you are. However, I *don't* like when projects that can work together disassociate because of petty reasons. If there are *real* technical reasons, I can appreciate it. -- "They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>