Well, in a way you already had credit from Avalon several times. I already saw several posts from Peter mentioning ideas he got from Avalon and he often exhibits a lot of knowledge about its internals.
In is a pity that Peter and Ceki do not have a better understanding but it is clear that there is a lot of cross pollination between the Log4J and LogKit teams. My personal dislike on the commons process since mid December was the opposition to cross pollination just because of personal issues, AFAIK. Have fun, Paulo Gaspar > -----Original Message----- > From: Morgan Delagrange [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 12:18 AM > To: Jakarta Commons Developers List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Logging] [VOTE] Commons Logging 1.0 Release > > > Wow, my name's on that too! I'm famous! ;) > > It seems likely that the Avalon wrapper was also inspired by those > discussions way back when. We all went off, did our thing, then we > regrouped at the end. To me, this is a positive thing. Perhaps if we had > all just acquiesced to a single approach, it wouldn't have turned out as > well. Ceki gives the Commons credit, we give Avalon and Log4J > credit, once > Avalon gives us a credit the circle will be complete. [MUSIC SWELLS, FADE > TO BLACK.] > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paulo Gaspar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Jakarta Commons Developers List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 5:26 PM > Subject: RE: [Logging] [VOTE] Commons Logging 1.0 Release > > > > Correct. Ceki even wrote a proposal for Log4J that is quite > > similar to the interface used by the Avalon wrapper: > > http://jakarta.apache.org/log4j/docs/proposal.html > > > > I also mentioned this one before. > > > > Have fun, > > Paulo Gaspar > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Morgan Delagrange [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 9:18 PM > > > To: Jakarta Commons Developers List > > > Subject: Re: [Logging] [VOTE] Commons Logging 1.0 Release > > > > > > > > > I believe so. I remember discussing the idea of the abstraction layer > > > before Rod wrote it, and Avalon never came up. Of course, I > > > don't claim to > > > have a perfect memory. ;) > > > org/apache/commons/httpclient/log/Log.java is 5 > > > months, 4 weeks old, while > > > org/apache/avalon/framework/logger/Logger.java is > > > 2 months, 4 weeks old, if that is any indication (which it may not be, > who > > > knows). > > > > > > It doesn't really matter IMO. Clearly people who knew Avalon > > > were involved > > > with the discussions over the past few months, as were people > > > familiar with > > > Log4J. I remember Ceki was a very active participant in the early > > > discussions. There should be some mention of both projects as > > > influences to > > > the final product, although the basic approach may not originate from > > > either. > > > > > > - Morgan > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Scott Sanders" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: "Jakarta Commons Developers List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 2:01 PM > > > Subject: RE: [Logging] [VOTE] Commons Logging 1.0 Release > > > > > > > > > So, you are saying that httpclient originated the code > without influence > > > from avalon? > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Morgan Delagrange [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 12:05 PM > > > > To: Jakarta Commons Developers List > > > > Subject: Re: [Logging] [VOTE] Commons Logging 1.0 Release > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm fairly sure that the Log and LogSource orginated with > > > > HttpClient. We wanted to be able to perform logging, but > > > > some were uncomfortable with a runtime dependency on Log4J; > > > > this was the compromise. Craig's assertion that the original > > > > contribution was influenced by Log4J is fair IMO. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Scott Sanders" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: "Jakarta Commons Developers List" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 1:50 PM > > > > Subject: RE: [Logging] [VOTE] Commons Logging 1.0 Release > > > > > > > > > > > > I am still trying to track down where the first Log and > > > > LogSource came from. I tracked it back to httpclient, and I > > > > am looking further. Rod, can you tell me where the Log and > > > > LogSource originated from in httpclient? > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Berin Loritsch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 11:47 AM > > > > > To: Jakarta Commons Developers List > > > > > Subject: Re: [Logging] [VOTE] Commons Logging 1.0 Release > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Scott Sanders wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I am happy to do this. > > > > > > > > > > > > However, I did not start the logging component, so can you > > > > > point me to > > > > > > the proper viewcvs page for the avalon impl? > > > > > > > > > > > > I will start to look at the origin of the logging component. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://jakarta.apache.org/avalon/api/index.html > > > > > > > > http://jakarta.apache.org/avalon/api/org/apache/avalon/framework/logger/ > > > package-summary.html > > > > > > The pieces in question are: > > > > > > org.apache.avalon.logger.Logger org.apache.avalon.logger.LogKitLogger > > > org.apache.avalon.logger.Log4JLogger > > > org.apache.avalon.logger.Jdk14Logger > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > "They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little > temporary safety > > > deserve neither liberty nor safety." > > > - Benjamin Franklin > > > > > > > > > -- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > -- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > -- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > -- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > For additional commands, e-mail: > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
