and helpful you have been :)

the ASF has lawyers which can answer questions of legality but they can only be asked if we're alerted to potential issues. what's needed is for vigilance amongst the community.

- robert

On Thursday, June 5, 2003, at 09:12 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I am NOT, I repeat, NOT knowledgeable at all about existing
implementations of maths algorithms (or algorithms in most other domains,
for that matter). Nor am I a lawyer. I'm just a developer w/ a certain
degree (how small a degree is not certain) of understanding of copyright
and software licensing issues who piped up earlier to try to be helpful.

Dave





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On Wednesday, June 4, 2003, at 01:26 AM, Phil Steitz wrote:
robert burrell donkin wrote:

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the second is that we're going to need to audit our implementations
against copyrighted ones. (i'm hoping that some better qualified folks
might volunteer for this.) if we find any that are too similar, then we

should use apache development resources to create fresh clean room
implementations.

I don't understand exactly what you mean here. It might be difficult to

find people with the combined legal and math skills to "audit" the code
for copyright infringement. What did you have in mind here?

i'm not sure that legal skills are actually necessary. i have a couple of reasons for this:

1. once we've worked out collectively what we think is right, one of the
committers will contact the ASF legal team and ask them to check that what

we intend to do will offer sufficient protection to everyone.

2. it's not possible to have absolute protection against litigation on the

wide world of the world wide web (are there any lawyers who know the law
in every jurisdiction?). usually, acting responsibly and with due care is
usually good enough.

what i had in mind was people with knowledge of existing algorithms (like
Al Chou and David Neuer) keeping an eye on the source and alerting us to
anything that seems too similar to existing implementations. IMHO what
would be ideal would be for volunteers to check our implementations
against the most common copyrighted implementations to make sure they are
not strikingly similar.

- robert


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