i think the consensus here is that as it pertains to Deadlists the song title should be used as it was published by the author.
in this case, Ice Nine and/or GDP publish the song on official releases as "Never Trust A Woman" I think that the first statement applies to "Good Times" as well. while GDP aren't going to get into trouble for using an alternate title, the official title as it was published by the author is "Good Times". in a truly scholarly fashion, the songs list needs to include alternate titles and even some of these references to other sources. thanks for doing the research Alex! and as a related tangent, the songs area of the deadlists database does need some attention. Matt Schofield has not had very much time to work on this area and could certainly use some assistance. if there's someone interested in taking co-ownership in building out the songs tables in the database, please email me privately. thanks, kevin > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Alex Allan > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 2:22 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Never Trust A Woman > > > Intriguing thought: should the title of "Never Trust A Woman" > really be "Goin' To The Country"?! > > I've been browsing round the copyright section of the Library > of Congress. The Brent Mydland stuff is pretty confusing, but > I've tried to make sense of it in the extracts below. > > I'm not clear about the significance of titles registered > with the Library of Congress for copyright as compared to > those registered with ASCAP/BMI or indeed those used on CDs. > My layman's suspicion is that what is significant for > copyright is the work itself, rather than the title. There's > also the oddity that in some cases the title in the Library > of Congress database is different from the title on the > copyright application (for reasons that aren't clear to me). > > All in all, I'm not sure this is of any relevance for > deadlists: it seems best to stick to the titles used on CDs > etc (though there are a couple of Brent songs that haven't > made it to CD). But I'd love to hear some of these cassettes! > > While I was at it, I went through all the Ice Nine songs, > without finding anything of particular interest to this list > (quite a few of Hunter songs that either didn't get included > in "Box Of Rain" or were written afterwards). Email me if you > want more info. > > Alex > > > Extracts from Library of Congress Copyright Database > http://www.copyright.gov/records/cohm.html > NB: This is just songs by Brent which were (possibly) played > by the Grateful Dead - there are a lot of others in the LoC > database (eg those recorded for an unreleased solo album) > which I have omitted. > > > From a cassette registered on 5 Jan 1979 > Title: "You Don't Know How Easy It Is" > Title on copyright application: "Sunny Mornin'" > Comment by AA: This must be the song "Easy To Love You." I > suppose the original first line might have been "Sunny > morning ..." instead of "Good, good morning ..." > > [From same cassette] > Title: "So Hard On Me" > Title on copyright application: "So Far From Me" > Comment by AA: released as "Far From Me" > > From a cassette registered on 9 Feb 1979 > Title: "Goin' To The Country" > Title on copyright application: "Gonna See Some Good Times" > Comment by AA: this is the one that might be "Never Trust A > Woman," though where "Goin' To The Country" comes from I > don't know ("I'm gonna leave this > town"?!) > > From a cassette registered on 11 Aug 1981 > Title: "Maybe You Know" or "Maybe You Know How I Feel" > Title on copyright application: "Maybe You Know How I'm > Feelin'" Comment by AA: deadlists has this as "Maybe You > Know" - no recordings have been issued > > From a cassette registered on 19 Jun 1983 > Title: "Tons Of Steel" > Title on copyright application: "Made To Role" <sic> > > From a cassette registered on 19 Apr 1988 > "Blow Away" > "Start Your Engines" > "I Will Take You Home" > Comment by AA: the title used on the "So Many Roads" box set > is "Gentlemen, Start Your Engines" > > From a cassette registered on 18 Apr 1984 > (by Ice Nine, but not credited to Brent Mydland or anyone > else) "I Don't Need Love" "Revolutionary Hamstrung Blues" > Comment by AA: deadlists has "Don't Need Love." [This > cassette also has a number of other songs I don't recognise > (eg "Lady Of The Night")] > > From a cassette registered on 19 Apr 1984 > (by Ice Nine, no author credits) > "Maybe Someday" > [Others songs on cassette are Keep Your Day Job, West L.A. > Fadeaway, My Brother Esau, Hell In A Bucket, Throwing Stones, > Touch Of Grey] Comment by AA: I'm not sure what "Maybe > Someday" is. It looks as if it must have been recorded by the > Grateful Dead around the time of "In The Dark" but not > released. It might be "Maybe You Know" although the words > don't quite fit. > > From a cassette registered on 12 Sep 1989 > "We Can Run, But We Can't Hide" > "Just A Little Light" > Comment by AA: title on "Built To Last" was "We Can Run" > > > >
