On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 03:52:33PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Tuesday 02 May 2006 08:40, Cord Beermann wrote: > > >Why not move it to Jabber? More people use and know what Jabber is these > > > days than IRC. > > > > Jabber doesn't have any useable non-graphic Clients. > > So write one or grab one of the existing ones and make it not suck.
As it is, IRC *does* have non-sucking non-graphic clients. If you think people should switch to Jabber, I think you ought to write such a client, not someone who's not interested in using Jabber in the first place. > > for the usual one to one communication it might be ok, but for > > groupchat (and thats what most people do on IRC it simply sucks. > > By design, IRC encourages people to do truly obnoxious things, like spamming > the channel to announce they're going away, That's not really the design of IRC; rather, it's the design of some clients. > or indicating their status with nicknames (which also spams the > channel). You also get spammed on IRC whenever someone joins or > leaves a channel. Most IRC clients allow those to be switched off. Personally, I happen to like them. > Jabber prevents this by providing a real presence system. IRC has a real presence system, too. > Jabber provides all the same "modes" IRC does in group chat, except > bans actually work because they're not stupidly tied to some arbitrary > netmask. Well, there's one "advantage". > Nicknames changes, joins and parts aren't spammed to the channel > unless your client adds them in for you (but changes are still > reflected in the listing of who is in the chat). Joins and parts you already mentioned. Nickname changes? I wouldn't know why the fsck you *wouldn't* want to be informed of those. > Jabber networks don't go on begging sprees for funding. Hell yes they do. My Jabber server administrator has sent me some "please support my bandwidth" request in the past. > OFTC will invariably spam you like every other IRC network since the > dawn of time the first moment they get more than a few users. As it is, that hasn't happened yet. Can we talk about things that are actually happening, rather than things that *might* happen at some point in the undefined future, please? > IRC was a good early effort, but 20 years have passed and IRC is still > plagued by the same problems it started with and shows no signs of > improvement over time, just like Windows. Isn't it time the world > moved on already? Move on to what? A protocol that broadcasts whether I'm online to everyone I've ever chatted with? Thanks, but no thanks. Jabber has its place as an IM protocol, but not as a group chat thing; IRC is way better there. -- Fun will now commence -- Seven Of Nine, "Ashes to Ashes", stardate 53679.4 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]