On Mon, May 28, 2007 at 01:03:29PM +0200, Joey Schulze wrote: > Sven Luther wrote: > > > After some more pressure on IRC, your commit access has been restored. > > > > It is not enough, i want the suspension revoked, since it was a stupid > > decision, which has achieved nothing except worsen the situation, and > > was taken contrary to the DAMs procedure, and in a shady and mysterious > > way. > > Oh come on Sven! This thread was about the accidential removal of your > kernel team commit access. It has been restored since them. The problem > is fixed.
The wider problem has been there since marsch last year or so, and it was never fixed. > Tell you what, if you continue trolling and ranting here, sooner or later > your commit access will be removed *on purpose* with no way for you to get > it back. This is not a threat but a warning. Yeah, right, is it so difficult to solve this as it should have been ? Do you really believe there is any valid justification to having me suspended for a year despite the 70:7 strong opposition of the DDs who where asked to express themselves ? What did it gain, and what was the reason that made the DAMs decide this way ? Appart that the expulsers provided more hatefull and agressive quotes than the those opposing the expulsion, and the DAMs chose to put them in value. Do you believe it was correct for the expulsers to ask for my expulsion on the day after i proposed my DPL candidacy, while i had not posted a single post on the debian lists for over a month ? And that the DAMs chose to hide this for whatevr obscure reason ? > We know that you're not happy with the situation, but continueing to > bring it up will not solve it either. > > Please don't reply and work on important things instead. Yeah, right, which is what i have been trying to do since over a year, first i worked, and provided over 30 or so patches to d-i despite the d-i access removal, just to get bashed in half the report by a clueless frans who jumped on every little excuse to explode, and finally made some under-hand manipulation with the ftp-masters to remove my upload right of the .udebs. This is what i did when i wrote the wiki page : http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FransPopAndOthersVs%2eSvenLutherIssue and got FUCK YOU and "the biggest load of self-satisfied and self-centered crap I've ever seen" from frans, and abuse from geert and holger (which they removed in shame later on), and blackmail of joeyh in return. This is what i did in february, organizing hardware for the debian booth, passing time to prepare the ps3 debian install, on the ps3 that geert uutyeroven had arranged, and geert stappers or holger found the occasion to bash me when i once posted to the list by mistake while searching for a TV set. I did this while those hateful expulsers secretely where scheming to restart the expulsion procedure, while on saturday evening the DAMs had sent me a mail which got eaten by the debian.org mail greylisting or whatever, and while i spoke to James Troup on sunday afternoon, after having hold a discussion about the future possibilities of the kernel developments, of which nobody from the d-i team assisted except holger, who was forced to film, and frans passed by me without returning my greeting afterward. I did this while the expulsion process was underway and posted only few select mails, and even was mostly silent for the week or two that followed the end of the support mail period, waiting for the DAMs to decide in frustration and trauma, while Frans started agressing me on the lists again. I was doing this when i discovered this latest case. So, for me, now, in debian, the most important thing, is that this continuous agression are stopped, that each party in this is blamed accordying to their responsabilities, in a fair and equitable way, and that the one-sided punishment are lifted, and that we are all allowed to work on the parts of debian that we like and code all happily forever after. Can you tell me a single reason why this should not happen ? Can you tell me a single reason that justifies the DAMs decision to act as they did, and which can be named without shame (i know that one reason of the decision is the fact that the other party threatened to stop all d-i related work if they didn't get their way, just as Joey Hess has written on the wiki and that this would have caused a problem so near the etch release, i also know that Joerg Jaspert (and others) heavily disliked Anthony Towns, and thus it could justify the manipulation of the dates of the expulsers mail, to make it appear as if this was Anthony's action, but these are hardly noble reasons we can approve of, don't we) ? Joey, if you see this kind of attitude in real life, while you really stand by, and counsel the victim to support everything and be silent, especially as you being a pillar of the community, can act to change it ? This is not some unnamed oppression by a state or power we have no access too, this is unfairness, as Wouter so aptly names it, done by Debian, and as thus approved by the tacit approval of every DD, including yourself. So, what will be done to solve this issue, or should it be left open like a bleeding wound to fester and worsen so much longer ? Isn't it time to solve this in a fair and human way, like it should have been done last year ? And no, you cannot blame Anthony Towns for all the evil this time around. Saddened, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]