Gerardo Ballabio <gerardo.balla...@gmail.com> writes: > Clearly, there must be a prior assessment that any particular group's > values are aligned with Debian's values.
Sure, of course. > And I don't think that this is, or should be, within the bounds of the > Publicity Team delegation. I think this is probably the place where we disagree. That said, how *do* you want to handle this, assuming that other people in the project do want to acknowledge important events for our community members? For example, Debian has made note of Diwali in the past in various ways (arguably less obviously than changing the logo, to be fair), and it's been entirely uncontroversial. Having a GR every time the project wants to acknowledge a day that is important to part of the project seems rather excessive to me. Perhaps it's just because I come from a work culture where this sort of acknowledgement is entirely routine and unexceptional, but this all feels like a tempest in a teapot to me. My position is that if some subgroup of Debian wants some sort of acknowledgement that's meaningful to them, we should default to doing so unless we have some obvious reason not to, and I trust the Publicity Team to judge whether such a reason exists and escalate or figure out some other approach if it does. I think this is much less complicated than people are making it. Now, if the *actual* issue here isn't about process, but is instead an argument that Debian shouldn't be recognizing Pride, specifically, then we simply disagree, and I'm not sure fiddling with the process is going to help. And no, I don't think this is something the project should avoid because it makes some people uncomfortable. If we have to hold a GR on having Debian acknowledge Pride, I'll second it, and I suspect it will pass easily; I just hope we can avoid that. > An example that is probably more to the point: Debian certainly > welcomes Israeli people, but if publicity were to issue a statement > that Debian supports a Zionist initiative, I'm sure that many would > object. We could instead acknowledging Jewish holidays as a way of making our Jewish community in general feel welcome (if that is something that would be meaningful to them). For instance, Jewish co-workers at my job organize an after-work Passover meal each year and invite anyone who wants to join. Corporations navigate this routinely, despite much stronger constraints (even legal constraints) on what types of acknowledgements they can do. > (There is of course a difference between being Israeli and being a > Zionist. I'd argue that it is the exact same difference that there is > between being LGBTQ+ and being an LGBTQ+ activist.) Pride is not the activist event that it used to be, at least in the United States and I believe in a lot of Europe. It's become very mainstream. (This is something that some people in the LGBTQ+ community are also rather frustrated with, as it turns out, but nonetheless, I think that's where we are today.) -- Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) <http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>