On 29 November 2014 at 07:05, lee <l...@yagibdah.de> wrote: > Scott Ferguson <scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com> writes: > <snipped> >> >> >> On 22/11/14 20:50, lee wrote: >>> >>> Didier, >>> >>> you have *totally* missed the OPs point. >>> >>> BTW, since you assume that no "systemd takeover" >> >> Hyperbole much? > > ?
"the use of exaggeration as a rhetorical device" > >>> what has been the outcome of the GR to support multiple >>> init systems? >> >> It lost. Developers are not being forced to do what they don't want. >> The winner was "developers will work it out themselves" i.e. Debian won. > > Huh? Does that mean that the users are left to deal themselves with the > problems that could arise from this? > >>> Other than that, the OP has a good point. I found that every time >>> something is related to the freedesktop stuff, >> >> Freedesktop just provides hosting. Substitute Sourceforge for >> Freedesktop and see how well your "theory" flies. > > "freedesktop.org is open source / open discussion software projects > working on interoperability and shared technology for X Window System > desktops. The most famous X desktops are GNOME and KDE, but developers > working on any Linux/UNIX GUI technology are welcome to participate."[1] How does that demonstrate that the systemd project is not "hosted" by freedesktop.org? Did your lips get sore or did you not quote the very next paragraph for other reasons? <quote> Software freedesktop.org hosts any "on-topic" software projects</quote> > > > [1]: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/ > >>> it's not understandable >>> at all because the documentation utterly sucks or doesn't even exist. >>> It's an entirely dead end. >>> >>> Do we really need or want that? If we need it, what for? If we want >>> it, wouldn't we be much better off using Windows? >> >> Please replace "we" with "I" - it gives the misleading impression you >> speak for the vast majority when you only speak for yourself. > > Please learn to read and to understand what you're reading, and you may > find that I was asking questions. You could learn a lot about yourself by eating your own dog food. > To draw a map for you, try replacing > "we" with "users". Save your crayons. I'm a Debian user. I "wouldn't be better off using Windows". You speak only for your self, not "everybody" (or even a significant majority) and it would be presumptuous to believe otherwise don't you think? > >> Note that opposition to *the choice* of using systemd 'probably' >> constitutes less than 1% of users. Noise, repetition, and FUD doesn't:- >> ;increase that percentage >> ;give you credibility >> ;justify your bullying >> and works against those that have genuine problems with systemd. > > And why do you mention this here? To provide constructive advice on "how to get along with a *community*. Not in the expectation that everyone cares. "Community" includes all sorts, including minorities that many don't want to embrace. <snipped> > >> The appropriate, polite way to deal with things you don't like - is >> speak *once* and state your case fully when you do. It's healthy to >> express concerns - it's unhealthy, to all, when you flood forums with >> them. The means justifies the ends - and bullying doesn't end well. > <snipped example of how not to act> Kind regards -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/camt2cqnxl8vdf2dbbu7opedzgaor4-bsn38zuuks08qdghi...@mail.gmail.com