I think there are a couple of points that Andreas is making:

   - He doesn't use Eclipse, so if ArgoEclipse is merely a plugin for an IDE
   he doesn't use, then it will probably have limited use for him. The same
   could be said of most non-Eclipse users. Although I use Spring Tool Suite (a
   sort of kitchen-sink Eclipse distribution), I haven't quite figured out
   whether the extra overhead of adding yet another plugin to IDE is worth any
   performance degradation.

   - There doesn't seem be a roadmap that indicates when (or if) ArgoEclipse
   will become the default distribution for ArgoUML.  If this is going to
   happen this year, then Bob's statement about not "reinventing the wheel"
   probably holds.  If it's going to be some indefinite time in the future,
   then it's probably worth looking at some short-term solution.  Especially if
   there's a way of generating Eclipse update site XML from it.

Under the rubric of "getting our ducks in order", it would also be useful if
there was some discussion about the ArgoEclipse, in particular:

   - Eclipse has a yearly release train, how will keeping up with that
   schedule effect the work that currently gets done?

   - Will ArgoUML be distributed as a plugin, as a separate Eclipse distro,
   or both?

   - How will the Eclipse RCP framework change ArgoUML's current module
   framework?  Presumably, there would need to be some work either to bridge
   the two, or refactor all existing plugins to fit the Eclipse RCP API.

   - What specific steps do plugin developers need to take in order to turn
   their existing plugins into Eclipse plugins?  Are there any plans to
   document this in the wiki?

   - Are there any plans to post a roadmap for some of the upcoming
   releases?  This would help set some expectations, and keep everyone focused
   in the same general direction.


Regardless of the approach we end up using to making modules "discoverable",
the main thing we're all trying to achieve is improved ease of use and
improved ease of development.

Cheers,

Mark

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