Hi All,
I prefer a situation where anyone call out poor behaviour as they arise
here...onsite..in public. I will prefer we allow people to make their
opinions known even if at times they might be off topic or not appropriate
for some people.
We should rather call out bad behaviour here. Even if there becomes a need
to suspend or put somebody under moderation, this action should not persist
for too long (moderate/suspend someone for 30 days and then allow them to
post without moderation and see if the VERY bad behaviour continues).
I say this because I believe that at times chaos is a pathway to growth.
{The next few sentences might be off topic to this thread but I will just
go ahead and say them.}
Look at the thread which brought about the creation of this D&I committee
for example. I mean the one on ComDev. It was chaotic and went on for weeks
but the outcome was that the Apache Community learnt that we had a
diversity problem and that action was needed and was taken.
I dont know about you all but the other chaotic discussion here surrounding
Outreachy and "Pay for Development" or not was an educational experience
for me. I learnt how to argue, learnt English, learnt about the Apache way.
it was not pretty at times but I think humans are resilient enough to
handle some of these issues. We came out of it and are now moving into the
implementation phase of things. I think the discussions we had during that
time was worth it. Some eggs might have been broken but overall, I will say
freedom for people to express themselves is a good thing and we should
maintain it.
In concluding, I will say, we should not actively police this mailing list
with rules and regulations but to socially, diplomatically and politely
call out bad behaviour preferably in private. people do want to do good and
be good.
Thanks.
Awasum
On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 6:36 PM Naomi S <n...@tumbolia.org> wrote:
> I want the moderation team to be a team of people trusted by the VP D&I to
> make the call re who is trolling or not. that is subjective, and it is, for
> sure, going to come down to shared values. but it's important for this
> initiative that we can assert a coherent set of shared values
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, 22 Jul 2019 at 19:33, Myrle Krantz <my...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 12:25 PM Patricia Shanahan <p...@acm.org> wrote:
> >
> > > I don't think there is a way, because one person's troll may be another
> > > person's sincerely held and strongly expressed opinion.
> > >
> > > My preference would be to drop it completely. The CoC already covers
> the
> > > cases that I think should be restricted. We are all adults here. If
> > > someone wants to make the rest of the mailing list participants think
> > > they are rude and inconsiderate, they should be let do so.
> > >
> >
> > I'd like to hear what the rest of the committee prefers. I can accept
> > either approach.
> >
> > The options are:
> > 1.) Continue to block trolling. Either use the existing wording or look
> > for a better wording.
> > 2.) Not block trolling in technical moderation, but fall back to social
> > moderation. Some trolling may fall under other rules (for example, list
> > relevance).
> >
> > Best Regards,
> > Myrle
> >
>
