24. kesäkuuta 2024 19.21.02 GMT+03:00 DJ Delorie <d...@redhat.com> kirjoitti:
>Kilian Hanich <khanich.opensou...@gmx.de> writes:
>> So, if we really don't count the password manager file because it can be
>> copied easily, one also cannot count the ones from from apps since they
>> can also be easily replicated.
>
>I agree.  Hence "grudgingly accepted".

I wonder, as there seems to be significant variation on what different people 
consider true 2FA, should the policy also say something about the expectation 
on TOTP secret management? Or are we satisfied if proven packagers are able to 
generate TOTP by whatever means?

Personally, I have all my passwords AND all my TOTP in a single KeePassXC 
database that is replicated to devices where I need it. Previously, I had a 
separate app for TOTP, but I could not understand how having two databases with 
two passwords on my phone was increasing security, so I simplified. My 
understanding is that the only, but perhaps significant, gains here are that 
TOTP does not send its long-lived secret over the wire, and I cannot decide to 
reuse (a set of) secrets for more than one site. That is great, but not "multi 
factor", like this setup is usually called. Everything would be no less secure, 
and simpler for me, if I could just disable the traditional password for sites 
that accept TOTP.

I also have hard time believing that there is a significant fraction of people 
who do not ever log into their important sites from their phone. So in my 
opinion the "your phone is your second factor" idea does not fly.
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