It's funny how this thread has turned this way - all about the value (or lack 
thereof?) of college degrees...

My mom has been programming since the early 60s... started with good, old 
Univac in Blue Bell, Pennsylvania...  Worked on many projects and systems for 
them and other companies over the years, then went "solo" and has contracted 
for AT&T, PG&E and many others...  Currently, she's writing code and supporting 
another telecom company in Las Vegas.

Her degree?  A ... BA? In accounting.  Then she did go back to school and get 
something in CIS - an AA?  Don't remember...

Me?  I'm an EDI Coordinator for a major retailer - well over 900 million in 
annual sales from about 400 stores.  I am "the" EDI department.  Started off 
doing technical support for our stores and corporate users, moved "up?" to a 
lead operator and then on to EDI.

My degree?  None.  Although I was about 3 classes shy of a BA - in 
Architectural Graphics & Design.  I'd actually started off as an English Major 
and was adding IS/IT as a minor...  But the scary thing (and this kind of goes 
with Glenn's comment, below) is that I knew a hell of a lot more - just having 
grown up with My  mom and having spent some time doing testing and 
documentation for her and being in "white rooms" (data centers) as a kid - than 
the teacher did.   I mean, IS 101 was all about the Naval contracts for the 
first computer and Admiral ... Oh, what was her name?

While I can agree that a degree does seem to ... provide some merit ... in that 
you're able to complete a course of study and follow through on a long-term 
project, I've found in My career (and this is nothing against any pros out 
there with degrees!) that a degree - or, even to this level, a certificate of 
... ability? ... with a certain operating system or network appliance - doesn't 
mean that you know how to use the applications or appliances... It just means 
you can attend a class, read some materials and pass a test or two.  I've met 
Microsoft "Certified" engineers who can't seem to master the concepts of "drag 
n drop" - even when it's just the Windows toolbar.

True, not all degreed and certified individuals are this ... lame ... but it 
does show that in some cases - remember I said SOME - that piece of paper does 
nothing other than look good on the wall and pad out the resume.

Much like many others on this list - and in the world in general - I put more 
emphasis on DOING and learning from DOING than from just cracking a book and 
checking the right box on a test.  I'm not knocking education and degrees - 
just that sometimes - sometimes - you get better results and better learning 
from actual hands on...

Craig E. Dunham
EDI Coordinator
EYE Analyst
Big 5 Sporting Goods

Re: Fw: EDI Coordinator - HOT! 
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   triageglenn <http://profiles.yahoo.com/triageglenn>
Thu Dec 18, 2008 6:02 am (PST)
It's funny how true the old adage is that "those who can do and those
who can't teach".

I got my degree because of its check box quality. While I did learn at
my time in school most of my knowledge has been obtained on the job.
The best teacher is experience.

At some point I will probably pursue a MBA but again it's for the doors
it will open.

Some of the best programmers, EDI or otherwise, I know don't have a
degree. And it's a loss for the companies that don't want to hire them.
But companies know best, just look at the state of the economy.


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