Leah, you can disagree with me any time. To use your definition, “purchase goods and/or services” would you then say that a company that purchases an 18-wheeler has outsourced its logistics to the company that bought it from.
I like you turn of the phrase wiki-poop – yep, there’s lots of it. Rachel Foerster 847-872-8070 From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Leah Halpin Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 4:04 PM To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [EDI-L] Cloud platforms & EDI Wow, lots of wiki-poop in that one! <Details are abstracted from consumers, who no longer have need for expertise in, or control over, the technology infrastructure "in the cloud" that supports them> I venture to say that unless the company is very small, this should not be true for enterprise level IT work. And I hate to disagree with Rachel, as she is always wise and thoughtful, but if you don't own/install/manage or maintain your own software or hardware, you have, by definition, outsourced. out·source /ˈaʊtˌsɔrs, ‐ˌsoʊrs/ Show Spelled [out-sawrs, ‐sohrs] Show IPA verb, -sourced, -sourc·ing. –verb (used with object) 1.(of a company or organization) to purchase (goods) or subcontract (services) from an outside supplier or source. 2.to contract out (jobs, services, etc.): a small business that outsources bookkeeping to an accounting firm. Leah ________________________________ From: Rachel Foerster & Associates <[email protected] <mailto:rachel%40rfa-edi.com> > To: [email protected] <mailto:roger%40sitcur.com> ; [email protected] <mailto:edi-l%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, December 6, 2010 4:19:05 PM Subject: RE: [EDI-L] Cloud platforms & EDI It seems to me that folks are viewing cloud computing as synonymous with outsourcing. . . . cloud computing is where essentially a company doesn't own/install/manage/maintain software solutions on its own boxes in its own data center but rather just rents/leases the use of software in the cloud - I view cloud computing as pretty much the same concept as time share in the olden days. In cloud computing the organization's staff, etc. still perform the work/manage the tasks, etc. but the system just isn't installed in their own data center. Below is from Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_computing) Cloud computing is Internet <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet> -based computing <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computing> , whereby shared resources, software, and information are provided to computers <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer> and other devices on demand, as with the electricity grid <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_grid> . Cloud computing is a natural evolution of the widespread adoption of virtualization <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtualization> , Service-oriented architecture <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Service-oriented_architecture> and utility computing <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utility_computing> . Details are abstracted from consumers, who no longer have need for expertise in, or control over, the technology infrastructure "in the cloud" that supports them. <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_computing#cite_note-0> [1] Cloud computing describes a new supplement, consumption, and delivery model for IT <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_technology> services based on the Internet, and it typically involves over-the-Internet provision of dynamically scalable <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalability> and often virtualized <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtualization> resources. <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_computing#cite_note-gartner-1> [2] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_computing#cite_note-really-2> [3] It is a byproduct and consequence of the ease-of-access to remote computing <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computing> sites provided by the Internet. <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_computing#cite_note-3> [4] This frequently takes the form of web-based tools or applications that users can access and use through a web browser <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_browser> as if it were a program installed locally on their own computer. <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_computing#cite_note-simple-4> [5] NIST <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NIST> provides a somewhat more objective and specific definition here. <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_computing#cite_note-5> [6] The term "cloud" is used as a metaphor <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaphor> for the Internet, based on the cloud drawing used in the past to represent the telephone network, <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_computing#cite_note-6> [7] and later to depict the Internet in computer network diagrams <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_network_diagram> as an abstraction <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstraction> of the underlying infrastructure it represents. <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_computing#cite_note-7> [8] Typical cloud computing providers deliver common business applications <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_application> online that are accessed from another Web service or software like a Web browser <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_browser> , while the software <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software> and data <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data> are stored on servers <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Server_(computing)> . Most cloud computing infrastructures consist of services delivered through common centers and built on servers. Clouds often appear as single points of access for consumers' computing needs. Commercial offerings are generally expected to meet quality of service <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quality_of_service> (QoS) requirements of customers, and typically include service level agreements <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Service_level_agreements> (SLAs). <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_computing#cite_note-ccpaper-8> [9] The major cloud service providers include Amazon <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_Web_Services> , Salesforce <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salesforce> , Microsoft <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azure_Services_Platform> and Google <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google> . <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_computing#cite_note-9> [10] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_computing#cite_note-10> [11] Some of the larger IT firms that are actively involved in cloud computing are Fujitsu <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fujitsu> , Dell <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dell> , <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_computing#cite_note-11> [12] Hewlett Packard <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hewlett_Packard> , <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_computing#cite_note-12> [13] IBM <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM> , <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_computing#cite_note-13> [14] VMware <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VMware> , NetApp <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NetApp> and Microsoft <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft> . Rachel Foerster 847-872-8070 From: [email protected] <mailto:EDI-L%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:[email protected] <mailto:EDI-L%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Stephen Berger Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 6:19 PM To: [email protected] <mailto:leahhalpin%40yahoo.com> ; [email protected] <mailto:rf_potter%40yahoo.com> ; [email protected] <mailto:roger%40sitcur.com> ; [email protected] <mailto:edi-l%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [EDI-L] Cloud platforms & EDI Cloud technology has a long way too go. It sounds great on paper because the purpose is to consolidate IT staffs into an outsourcing model. It is a very tricky idea especially when it pertains to B2B technologies. It will be very tough for these huge enterprise companies to rip out their current infrastructures and get adopted to these cloud technologies when they're not proven. I have been in EDI for 10 years and haven't seen this quick of a change. I remember when AS2 was introduced and they said the VANS would be dead or when the so called UCCNET came out and it would be the end of EDI. It would all be about XML. I have dealt with many enterprise companies regarding their evaluations of managed services AKA the cloud and some of these companies are struggling to get off the mainframe. It took one particular company twelve year to finally decide to phase off the mainframe. Most companies still want to control their own infrastructure and technologies on premise. To: [email protected] <mailto:rf_potter%40yahoo.com> <mailto:rf_potter%40yahoo.com> ; [email protected] <mailto:roger%40sitcur.com> <mailto:roger%40sitcur.com> ; [email protected] <mailto:EDI-L%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:EDI-L%40yahoogroups.com> From: [email protected] <mailto:leahhalpin%40yahoo.com> <mailto:leahhalpin%40yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 14:37:48 -0800 Subject: Re: [EDI-L] Cloud platforms & EDI But "cloud" sounds so much nicer..... Leah ________________________________ From: Ralph Potter <[email protected] <mailto:rf_potter%40yahoo.com> <mailto:rf_potter%40yahoo.com> > To: Roger Curtis <[email protected] <mailto:roger%40sitcur.com> <mailto:roger%40sitcur.com> >; [email protected] <mailto:EDI-L%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:EDI-L%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sat, December 4, 2010 4:30:17 PM Subject: Re: [EDI-L] Cloud platforms & EDI We were doing this twenty years ago; at the time we called it "In VAN translation" and paid for it a monthly basis plus usage (trashed that at internal expense but no less net cost). What is different in this model (except in the Value Added Network model you also had the Value Added part like people who knew what they were doing with you partners)? ________________________________ From: Roger Curtis <[email protected] <mailto:roger%40sitcur.com> <mailto:roger%40sitcur.com> > To: [email protected] <mailto:EDI-L%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:EDI-L%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sat, December 4, 2010 2:30:32 PM Subject: RE: [EDI-L] Cloud platforms & EDI Hi Susan, We've been investigating Cloud EDI SaaS for some customers. Basically I think it comes down to this: With traditional EDI the customer needs to purchase the EDI software and pay annual maintenance own/operate server(s) to run the software on do the data mapping (and/or operation) or outsource these functions. Bottom line - greater initial outlay With Cloud EDI No software is purchased - they pay a monthly and/or transaction fee No server required The mapping may be done by the EDI hosting company. Operation and data management is done by the hosting company. Little initial outlay - annual or 3 yr commitment may be required. In the cases we looked at the break-even point is 3 years operation of the cloud EDI platform costs about the same as the first year owned option. Liaison Technologies has their LENS and other cloud platform that works very well especially for large volume users. Roger _____ From: [email protected] <mailto:EDI-L%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:EDI-L%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:[email protected] <mailto:EDI-L%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:EDI-L%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Susan Stecklair Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 5:39 PM To: [email protected] <mailto:EDI-L%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:EDI-L%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: [EDI-L] Cloud platforms & EDI Hi All - I've been asked to met with someone on the following topic: "I'm trying to understand how the emergence of Cloud platforms that provide execution elasticity and global scale will or will not change the state and progress in areas like exchanges and supplier connectivity (more generally B-to-B systems)." I've trained on Salesforce.com, but their Order Management is handled by partners and seems very primitive from an EDI perspective - at least when I last looked at it. Do any of you have any experience with Cloud platforms as part of EDI (B2B) integration? I'm certain familiar with TaaS. 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