Brian, I don't think there's one and only one architecture for "cloud computing." Google is into it big time - so is Microsoft. I would expect there to be a broad array of architectures and that for a cloud computing company would understand its market, its target customers and then offer up a menu of services that may/may not include storing data on their servers v. your servers, etc.
I'm neither advocating for or against outsourcing or cloud computing. My own personal opinion is that I would not recommend to any company that it outsource/cloud source/whatever its mission critical systems to a third party. Outsourcing back office functions and systems makes sense. That said, all too often companies view their EDI systems, etc., as a back office function, when in really, if your primary channel for getting purchase orders from customers is via EDI, then in my opinion that's a mission critical system/function. I also think that outsourcing/cloud computing/timesharing/etc., should not be solely a technical decision. Methinks that it is too often. At the end of the day there are hundreds of ways a company can slice and dice its business model and that's a good thing, since it gives all of us job opportunities. Some of us are called consultants, others contractors, and others employees. One way or another, the work needs to get done. Rachel Foerster 847-872-8070 -----Original Message----- From: Brian Walsh [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 4:44 PM To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [EDI-L] Cloud platforms & EDI I would assume utilizing the cloud, an executable located on the providers site Is executed after an output flat file Is created on the customers site. Would the files then be copied to the provider and all the remaining functions such as send to VAN or AS2 be done by the provider or the customer utilizing the cloud EDI service ? Please explain architecture of cloud service and how and where files are processed. Compare It to copying flT files to outsourcer who maps and sends to partner and returns flat files that have been mapped and forwared to customer. Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rachel Foerster & Associates" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 4:19 PM Subject: RE: [EDI-L] Cloud platforms & EDI > It seems to me that folks are viewing cloud computing as synonymous with > outsourcing. . . . cloud computing is where essentially a company doesn't > own/install/manage/maintain software solutions on its own boxes in its own > data center but rather just rents/leases the use of software in the cloud - > I view cloud computing as pretty much the same concept as time share in the > olden days. > > > > In cloud computing the organization's staff, etc. still perform the > work/manage the tasks, etc. but the system just isn't installed in their own > data center. > > > > Below is from Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_computing) > > Cloud computing is Internet <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet> -based > computing <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computing> , whereby shared > resources, software, and information are provided to computers > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer> and other devices on demand, as > with the electricity grid <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_grid> . > > Cloud computing is a natural evolution of the widespread adoption of > virtualization <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtualization> , > Service-oriented architecture > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Service-oriented_architecture> and utility > computing <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utility_computing> . Details are > abstracted from consumers, who no longer have need for expertise in, or > control over, the technology infrastructure "in the cloud" that supports > them. <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_computing#cite_note-0> [1] Cloud > computing describes a new supplement, consumption, and delivery model for IT > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_technology> services based on the > Internet, and it typically involves over-the-Internet provision of > dynamically scalable <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalability> and often > virtualized <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtualization> resources. > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_computing#cite_note-gartner-1> [2] > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_computing#cite_note-really-2> [3] It is > a byproduct and consequence of the ease-of-access to remote computing > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computing> sites provided by the Internet. > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_computing#cite_note-3> [4] This > frequently takes the form of web-based tools or applications that users can > access and use through a web browser > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_browser> as if it were a program > installed locally on their own computer. > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_computing#cite_note-simple-4> [5] NIST > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NIST> provides a somewhat more objective and > specific definition here. > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_computing#cite_note-5> [6] The term > "cloud" is used as a metaphor <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaphor> for > the Internet, based on the cloud drawing used in the past to represent the > telephone network, > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_computing#cite_note-6> [7] and later to > depict the Internet in computer network diagrams > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_network_diagram> as an abstraction > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstraction> of the underlying infrastructure > it represents. <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_computing#cite_note-7> > [8] Typical cloud computing providers deliver common business applications > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_application> online that are > accessed from another Web service or software like a Web browser > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_browser> , while the software > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software> and data > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data> are stored on servers > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Server_(computing)> . > > Most cloud computing infrastructures consist of services delivered through > common centers and built on servers. Clouds often appear as single points of > access for consumers' computing needs. Commercial offerings are generally > expected to meet quality of service > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quality_of_service> (QoS) requirements of > customers, and typically include service level agreements > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Service_level_agreements> (SLAs). > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_computing#cite_note-ccpaper-8> [9] The > major cloud service providers include Amazon > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_Web_Services> , Salesforce > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salesforce> , Microsoft > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azure_Services_Platform> and Google > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google> . > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_computing#cite_note-9> [10] > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_computing#cite_note-10> [11] Some of the > larger IT firms that are actively involved in cloud computing are Fujitsu > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fujitsu> , Dell > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dell> , > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_computing#cite_note-11> [12] Hewlett > Packard <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hewlett_Packard> , > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_computing#cite_note-12> [13] IBM > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM> , > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_computing#cite_note-13> [14] VMware > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VMware> , NetApp > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NetApp> and Microsoft > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft> . > > > > > > > > Rachel Foerster > > 847-872-8070 > > > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Stephen Berger > Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 6:19 PM > To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; > [email protected] > Subject: RE: [EDI-L] Cloud platforms & EDI > > > > > > > Cloud technology has a long way too go. > > It sounds great on paper because the purpose is to consolidate IT staffs > into an outsourcing model. It is a very tricky idea especially when it > pertains to B2B technologies. > > It will be very tough for these huge enterprise companies to rip out their > current infrastructures and get adopted to these cloud technologies when > they're not proven. > > I have been in EDI for 10 years and haven't seen this quick of a change. I > remember when AS2 was introduced and they said the VANS would be dead or > when the so called UCCNET came out and it would be the end of EDI. It would > all be about XML. > > I have dealt with many enterprise companies regarding their evaluations of > managed services AKA the cloud and some of these companies are struggling to > get off the mainframe. It took one particular company twelve year to finally > decide to phase off the mainframe. Most companies still want to control > their own infrastructure and technologies on premise. > > > > > To: [email protected] <mailto:rf_potter%40yahoo.com> ; [email protected] > <mailto:roger%40sitcur.com> ; [email protected] > <mailto:EDI-L%40yahoogroups.com> > From: [email protected] <mailto:leahhalpin%40yahoo.com> > Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 14:37:48 -0800 > Subject: Re: [EDI-L] Cloud platforms & EDI > > But "cloud" sounds so much nicer..... > > Leah > > ________________________________ > From: Ralph Potter <[email protected] <mailto:rf_potter%40yahoo.com> > > To: Roger Curtis <[email protected] <mailto:roger%40sitcur.com> >; > [email protected] <mailto:EDI-L%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sat, December 4, 2010 4:30:17 PM > Subject: Re: [EDI-L] Cloud platforms & EDI > > We were doing this twenty years ago; at the time we called it "In VAN > translation" and paid for it a monthly basis plus usage (trashed that at > internal expense but no less net cost). What is different in this model > (except > > in the Value Added Network model you also had the Value Added part like > people > who knew what they were doing with you partners)? > > ________________________________ > From: Roger Curtis <[email protected] <mailto:roger%40sitcur.com> > > To: [email protected] <mailto:EDI-L%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sat, December 4, 2010 2:30:32 PM > Subject: RE: [EDI-L] Cloud platforms & EDI > > Hi Susan, > > We've been investigating Cloud EDI SaaS for some customers. > > Basically I think it comes down to this: > > With traditional EDI the customer needs to > > purchase the EDI software and pay annual maintenance > > own/operate server(s) to run the software on > > do the data mapping (and/or operation) or > outsource these functions. > > Bottom line - greater initial outlay > > With Cloud EDI > > No software is purchased - they pay a monthly and/or > transaction fee > > No server required > > The mapping may be done by the EDI hosting company. > > Operation and data management is done by the hosting > company. > > Little initial outlay - annual or 3 yr commitment > may be required. > > In the cases we looked at the break-even point is > > 3 years operation of the cloud EDI platform costs > about the same as > > the first year owned option. > > Liaison Technologies has their LENS and other cloud platform that works very > well > > especially for large volume users. > > Roger > > _____ > > From: [email protected] <mailto:EDI-L%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:[email protected] <mailto:EDI-L%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf > Of > Susan Stecklair > Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 5:39 PM > To: [email protected] <mailto:EDI-L%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [EDI-L] Cloud platforms & EDI > > Hi All - > > I've been asked to met with someone on the following topic: > > "I'm trying to understand how the emergence of Cloud platforms that provide > execution elasticity and global scale will or will not change the state and > progress in areas like exchanges and supplier connectivity (more generally > B-to-B systems)." > > I've trained on Salesforce.com, but their Order Management is handled by > partners and seems very primitive from an EDI perspective - at least when I > last looked at it. Do any of you have any experience with Cloud platforms > as part of EDI (B2B) integration? I'm certain familiar with TaaS. > > Thanks, > > Susan > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > ... > Please use the following Message Identifiers as your subject prefix: <SALES>, <JOBS>, <LIST>, <TECH>, <MISC>, <EVENT>, > <OFF-TOPIC> > > Job postings are welcome, but for job postings or requests for work: <JOBS> IS REQUIRED in the subject line as a > prefix.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > ------------------------------------ ... 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