I don't know which xsm version e.org runs, nor if the slowness is because of the machine. But as i use xsm for the get-e.org maintaince i can say that is has been speeded up a lot since my first contact one year ago. 30 minutes for a simple news post is really not acceptable - but on get-e.org it is much more faster. Adding a news there takes about 2-3 minutes - sometimes longer - but this has to do with the load of the machine as it is used for different sites. After you have added a news, edit and save is much faster! Also it's only the news page which takes a bit time on saving when adding new entries, the other templates are much faster. Maybe it is because the news page has 338 entries (http://www5.get-e.org/Main/News/archive.html).
Greets Brian 'morlenxus' Miculcy On Wed, Sep 20, 2006 at 09:23:16PM -0400, Michael Jennings wrote: > On Wednesday, 20 September 2006, at 16:59:10 (-0700), > Ben Rockwood wrote: > > > 1) Since moving to XSM updates have almost complete stopped. The > > changes in the last 2 years are all trivial. (Minus the redesign work.) > > I'm trying to forget the past transgressions that may have occurred > and focus on the future. You and I have talked about this in person > as well as on IRC, so you know how I felt originally about everything > that happened. > > But it's done, and it's over. Andy has made a solid commitment to not > only listen to constructive feedback on XSM, but to really drive it in > the direction we need it to go to fill the current gaps in our > infrastructure. > > I've come to realize that continuing to beat the same old drum as > before is just as political and counterproductive as some of what > inspired my frustration in the first place. The band has left the > field; it's time to stop banging the snare. > > > 2) XSM is, speaking only for myself, slow and non-intuitive to work > > with. Simple news updates take 30 minutes or more due to rebuilds. > > You're 100% right that it's not instantly intuitive. That's one of my > gripes too. XSM seems to have a very powerful content assembly > paradigm but lacks an adequate way of presenting this power to the > uninitiated. This is an issue that must be addressed, and I think it > will be. > > Speed is also a common complaint which is about to be rectified. Andy > assured us that it's a heckuva lot faster on a local box, and I have > no reason to doubt his word. Besides, when the new box is ready, the > facts will speak for themselves. > > > 3) No one has stepped up to the plate to work within the current > > framework, and honestly I haven't heard anyone say they like it or > > are willing to maintain it in XSM. > > I know devilhorns is willing, morlenxus seemed open to it with some > feature requests added on, and I believe the other get-e.org folks > have already been using it for quite some time. > > Granted, none of them have taken care of e.org like you did. You're > still a very valuable asset to the team. But we can't keep swimming > around in the same pool forever; the argument has to end, and we must > press onward. > > > 4) Final decisions on what happens with E.org is Raster's call. I > > haven't just yanked down XSM and done things "my way" because its > > not my call, its ultimately his. I brought up discussion about > > switching off of XSM over a year ago and the discussion fizzled out > > on the "leave it alone" note, I didn't rock the boat. > > Understood. But I also understand this: E.org is better off with you > than without you. By far. But for better or worse, we're using XSM > right now. And while I greatly value your past contributions, more > willingness to cooperate is going to be necessary going forward. > > > 5) I don't care WHAT we use. Flat HTML is fast and easy and we'd > > have an updated site in less than a day even with the site on SF. > > So long as the choice is easier and faster to work with I really am > > not going to press for any particular solution. > > Then are you willing to at least give XSM another try once it's moved > to our new server? What if Andy gave a quicky XSM tutorial on the > mailing list? Would that help the UI issue at all? > > > Bottom line, the site gets a noteworthy amount of traffic on a daily > > basis. No one is updating or maintaining the site. This wasn't the > > case prior to XSM, I'm not saying it was perfect but work was at > > least happening. Tell me what you want to move to and I'll do it. > > The point is here that I'm willing and able to do the work. Tell me > > what you want and that no one will freak out when I do it and off we > > go. > > This seems a lot more cooperative than before. :) Are you willing to > give XSM another shot if that's how we decide to do it? > > > ... besides, Michael, you know me. I don't tend to lone-gun things > > or dictate. I'm here to help, others will help, I believe, if we > > have a better framework, lets just get the site working reasonably > > again. I've had "Fix E.org" on my TODO list for over 2 years!!! > > I'd like to finally get on with things. > > Here's another idea. If you're not wanting to work with XSM, perhaps > you could create/edit pages in raw HTML and have someone else enter > them into XSM for you. Would that work? > > > PS: I think I miss mails like this from you, mej, the most. You da man > > Michael. ;) > > I try. :-) > > Michael > > -- > Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > "If the President knowingly lies to the American people, he should > immediately resign." -- Bill Clinton in 1974 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. 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