On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 4:37 PM, Atton Jonathan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > 2010/9/7 Cedric BAIL <[email protected]> >> >> On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 1:14 AM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> > On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 7:48 PM, Fabiano Fidêncio >> > <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 7:29 PM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 6:54 PM, Fabiano Fidêncio >> >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>> Howdy! >> >>>> >> >>>> I, as Enlightenment's user, feel lacking of some programs, that >> >>>> consider essential for a normal user. >> >>>> In the top of the list, I can say that we need of a{pdf,image} >> >>>> viewer. >> >>>> I don't know if the most active devs prefer one program to see pdf >> >>>> and >> >>>> one program to see image, like evince[0] and gthumb[1] (I think that >> >>>> ephoto can be compared with gthumb). >> >>>> Or a more generic program like Okular[3]. >> >>>> >> >>>> I'll wait for the answers and start the development (in my free >> >>>> time, >> >>>> of course) of this software (or, at least, of the skeleton). >> >>> >> >>> IMHO it's better to have 2 different, however the e17 file manager >> >>> should be able to preview both (as I proposed in one of the past >> >>> GSoC). >> >>> >> >>> The reason to have 2 application is that for documents you often focus >> >>> on a single document for a while, with very specific actions such as >> >>> search, annotations, bookmarks; while image you want lots of image >> >>> previews and quickly zoom into one chosen, maybe copy files or view >> >>> some parameters like exif (dates). >> >>> >> >>> These days I came back from a trip and thus lots of pictures, as usual >> >>> I used gwenview to browse and organize them... but it could be a bit >> >>> better and faster, so I thought of writing one; however I stopped as >> >>> I'd generate yet-another-unfinished photo-viewer application. Then I >> >>> remembered Enki and helping it could be the way to go as Watchwolf >> >>> works on it as well. Particularly I dislike Enki's UI, but it does >> >>> work nice in my tests (no tests with flickr yet), so you could discuss >> >>> with Marina some ideas, investigate some existing software and help >> >>> the UI. >> >> >> >> IMHO, Enki can be a overkill. >> > >> > Why do you say that? It's quite fast. >> >> It's fast enough to run on my eee, just the UI didn't expect such a >> small screen. But that's just a matter of theming now ! >> >> > I'd use lightmediascanner, but Enlil (used by Enki) is quite good as >> > well. >> >> Maybe I am wrong, but wasn't lighmediascanner linked with sqlite ? >> According to Watchwolf test, using eet was a much better alternative >> for speed. >> > > Yes and no. sqlite is better if you need to load only a part of the data and > eet is better if you load (almost) everything. > >> >> > Actually I'd work on some other ways to categorize the contents. Focus >> > more on it. One option is to copy Raster's color-sort used in >> > wallpaper2 dialog. Then add some filters (simple to use please!) to >> > list files of a given period, or some predominant color... and of >> > course use those for sort. >> >> Maybe that's just another kind of tag to handle. >> >> > The problem with Enki is that right now it focus too much on the >> > useless stuff. For instance you open it and what you see? Pictures? >> > No, you see a list of libraries, something you don't change that >> > often. There is no keyboard navigation/actions (yeah, elm makes it a >> > bit harder than it should). And the text entries are all weird, as >> > well as the abuse of elm_notify for dialogs. >> > >> > We could start with that. Let's propose some good alternative UI, then >> > you, watchwolf or someone else (maybe even I) can start to make it >> > happen. >> >> > Apple's apperture is a good example: >> > http://www.apple.com/aperture/what-is.html >> > KDE's gwenview is another: >> > >> > http://gwenview.sourceforge.net/screenshots.php?action=view&album=/2.4&pos=1 >> > >> > I'd focus on listing. Enki's already provide a cool (but ugly) >> > thumbnail list. Its image view mode is bad and slow, the Zoom slider >> > (which is inverted from what people are used and actually from what is >> > used in the main screen!) is too large, and the bar that show sibling >> > images is too small (it should be bigger or user-configurable). One >> > clear proble is also the context actions, right now using weird >> > elm_menu... no obvious solution, but if people think about we can find >> > out a nice replacement. >> >> Yeah ! Ask designer to come with nice idea for the UI, that's a plan I >> like. And about ephoto, please don't add much feature to it, it is >> designed to quickly browse a directory, see a few pictures, but not >> designed to handle thousand file in different library. It's a >> different tool, that target different need. > > I have starting a rewrite of the UI of Enki with elementary/edje external. > The elm_notify widget was going to die. > But : > - I am off for a time, I do not know how much time but I need a break. Do > not forget that I was written enki after my job. > - I an not a designer and I was planning to use elm without a custom theme.
yeah, no custom theme is fine for now... we all lack good designs these days :-/ > Gustavo : > Enki is a photo manager and not an image viewer. Albums are required if you > want to manage a photos album. my point is that you don't need to make that the first and thus most important thing... Just ask for the libraries and albums the first time, then just show the list of them, starting with the last used. Of course allow user to change it and add more. > I was planning to add in enki a complete support of geocaching.com because I > am an user. i liked what is there already, showing in the maps rocks! > Then ok enki is not only a photo manager, is a bad image viewer, the theme > could be improve but doing all this work after my job and alone is killing > me. Do not forget all the jobs I have done in elementary in order to do > Enki. > If people want to help and change some parts I am ok with this. That's what I said, it do work, but would need some UI love... but the bits are all there! And yeah, I do appreciate a LOT the work you did in Elementary in order to have your stuff working, notify, menu, geomap, ... thanks! BR, -- Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri http://profusion.mobi embedded systems -------------------------------------- MSN: [email protected] Skype: gsbarbieri Mobile: +55 (19) 9225-2202 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ This SF.net Dev2Dev email is sponsored by: Show off your parallel programming skills. Enter the Intel(R) Threading Challenge 2010. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-thread-sfd _______________________________________________ enlightenment-devel mailing list [email protected] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
