> We are aware more E modules and themes would be a great thing. People just
> need to create them as we've been saying.
>
> One of the biggest issues Jose is that you don't appear to be familiar
> enough with Enlightenment to understand the terminology the desktop uses to
> describe different things and thus have been having a hard time trying to
> deliver your message.
>
>
Jeff, I am familiar enough with E - though not with all the current
developments... :)
The terms are flexible and I use them in generic ways to describe the
basic concepts...
Hopefully, over many emails, things become clearer for everyone.
Distributable "shell-theming" is more than just having good edje
themes for
whatever widgetry, or more E modules. Nor is the current method of E
profiles
sufficient for it (unless you restrict this to mean distro provided only).
People will not write more E themes and more modules just because...
they need
something that inspires them to make that effort and involvement. And
the best way
to inspire them to do that is to give them a relatively simple means to
create cool
things that others can use.
Shell-theming is one such means - it's not as intensive as writing a
full E theme
and it allows them to make and share cool looking 'environments'. Once
something
like that is in place, then more people join in, more edje themes are
written (for
whatever use), more modules are written, etc.
That is its basic 'function' as far as E itself is concerned - it
generates interest
by enabling people to create and share, in a relatively simple way,
really cool
eye-candy. :)
> On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 6:56 PM, Jose Gonzalez <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>> Albi wrote:
>>
>>> Gadgets are not so different from panel applets come from other DE: task
>>>
>> manager, mail fetcher, weather, feed, ...
>>
>>> I think you give their position much value it has, but not big deal,
>>>
>> this is just my opinion.
>>
>>> Maybe if there were lots of modules, like GNOME 3 applet, maybe could be
>>>
>> a "network" about this (like Gnome 3 has done).
>>
>>> Maybe it's just my idea, but users place gadget where they are
>>>
>> comfortable for them, so they won't continue move their modules around
>> their desktop... But this is just my stupid opinion :)
>>
>>>
>> I haven't followed Gnome or KDE dev for quite a while so I can't
>> really comment on what they might have nowadays..
>> But by 'gadget' I mean most any ui component that displays on
>> (virtual) desktops - they can be front ends for E modules or even
>> small standalone apps. They don't have to be gadcon constrained,
>> and can even be containers of their own.
>> It's really quite open ended, but with many of the current ones
>> plus one or two new ones (like for example an "iMenu" type of
>> module) one can do quite a bit.
>>
>> In case it's not too clear what one can do with this, let me once again
>> copy/paste the well-known example of this 'shell-theming' concept
>> from the Windows world - what's known as DesktopX skins:
>>
>>
>> http://www.wincustomize.com/explore/desktopx_themes/sort/popular/sortby/halloffame
>>
>> There are literally thousands of these things that people have designed,
>> as well as 'premium' ones that Stardock sells.
>>
>> There are several other such skinning systems in the Windows world,
>> there's even one very popular one which is GPL, it's called Rainmeter:
>> http://rainmeter.net/
>> and you can see some near thousand skins for it here:
>> http://www.customize.org/rainmeter/skins
>>
>> The screenshots don't actually do justice to these skins since they are
>> ususally highly animated. Here are some example videos showing you what
>> they can be like:
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zukaxUYlfZQ
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jn2FpdI5-C0
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBMGe4vjLTE
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pW-ohF9tRI8
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2KvbI-P-ak
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-P-NdDvSVk
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujdKSrptsPA
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCCX9HuPb-Y
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_MekUL2SWs
>>
>> All this can be done with E, most would require just a couple
>> of new modules.
>>
>>
>>
>>> We are all thinking for the good of E, so it's OK,
>>> Duma
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Indeed :)
>>
>>
>>
>>> Il 22 febbraio 2015 20:09:42 CET, Jose Gonzalez <[email protected]> ha
>>>
>> scritto:
>>
>>>> I think you underestimate both just how much one can do
>>>> with such a "simple" customization (especially when one starts
>>>> to consider other possible gadgets and modules), and how much
>>>> people like to share things they create and engage in.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I agree with Jeff.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> BUT...
>>>>>
>>>>> TLDR:
>>>>> If there's other people that doesn't have programming skill big
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> enough
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> to spend them on E core developing (bugs, E20, etc etc) like me, but
>>>>> want to create theme, maybe we shold try to create a project
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> togheter?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> "If by my life or death I can protect you, I will. You have my
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> sword..."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> We need someone that create a good layout (a designer?)
>>>>>
>>>>> "...and you have my bow..."
>>>>> a couple of E coder (Simotek? Stephan from relighted? Someone else?)
>>>>>
>>>>> "...and my axe!"
>>>>> and someone that know GTK or QT (is there anybody out there?).
>>>>>
>>>>> Try to make a call to arm.
>>>>> Of course the few things I know about E theme, I'm glad to give for
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> project :)
>>>>>
>>>>> ___
>>>>>
>>>>> NO, I WANT ALL THE STUPID DUMA'S THOUGHTS
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree with Jeff.
>>>>> Changing gadget layout, wallpaper, icon themes are things that an
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> user
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> can do and can't make a distro unique.
>>>>> It's just a simple and minimum customization.
>>>>>
>>>>> New Enlightenment themes it's an important focus, but I suppose we
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> have
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> to admit some things:
>>>>> * Feel the taste. It's stupid and I don't like to follow fashion
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> taste,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> but users do this: why on blogs ElementaryOS, QuartzOS or Papyrus are
>>>>> mentioned a lot? Because they use a stupid flat cool design (like
>>>>> Material design) and do nothing different from their father distro.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> So
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> now people like this and, unfortunately, most of the distro follow
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> this
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> taste: also the Ubuntu themes have "flatter" widgets than before. E
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Dark
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> themes with the high bevel looks very old and people troll the web
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> how
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> ugly is.
>>>>>
>>>>> * The third graphics library: maybe it's only a paranoid of mine, but
>>>>> GTK and QT now uses automagically the same theme, so users don't find
>>>>> big differences when they use Skype (QT) or Gedit (GTK). E with the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> few
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> application looks in all the system different and not unified.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Finally
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> we have a Dark GTK theme, but we have to recognise that all the theme
>>>>> created need a GTK (or QT) theme (blingbling, black&white, detour,
>>>>> darkness), or users don't use it. So a theme developer should know
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> not
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> only the ELM/EDJE, but alsto the GTK2 and css for GTK3. Or we are
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> forced
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> to create port (like Radiance or Klak theme)... and the web trolls E
>>>>> because it follow a look of a distro they don't like.
>>>>>
>>>>> I often asking myself "Why I don't create a new theme? Completely
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> new!"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> but then I answer me: "Man, I can't develop ALSO the GTK 3, because I
>>>>> don't know css and I don't know all the new widget they create and
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> thei
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> exception", so I only recompile old themes like OpenGEU's ones and
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> other
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> crappy things I've done on DeviantART.
>>>>> I love blingbling theme and I want to create ELM part of it for E19,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> but
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> it's something needed? Someone use this? Could attract new user to E?
>>>>>
>>>>> If there's other people that doesn't have programming skill big
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> enough
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> to spend them on E core developing (bugs, E20, etc etc) like me, but
>>>>> want to create theme, maybe we shold try to create a project
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> togheter?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> "If by my life or death I can protect you, I will. You have my
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> sword..."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> We need someone that create a good layout (a designer?)
>>>>>
>>>>> "...and you have my bow..."
>>>>> a couple of E coder (Simotek? Stephan from relighted? Someone else?)
>>>>>
>>>>> "...and my axe!"
>>>>> and someone that know GTK or QT (is there anybody out there?).
>>>>>
>>>>> Try to make a call to arm.
>>>>> Of course the few things I know about E theme, I'm glad to give for
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> project :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Bye!
>>>>> Duma
>>>>>
>>>>> Il giorno dom, 22/02/2015 alle 21.37 +1000, David Seikel ha scritto:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm just responding to this bit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 22 Feb 2015 17:13:16 +1030 Simon <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As a theme designer about the only thing that wasn't possible in
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>> e19
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> was semi transparent windows but i asked nicely and it will be
>>>>>>> possible with e20.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Semi transparent windows has been possible for quite some time in E,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> I
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> use them all the time. There are various colours that can be
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> tweaked.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> I Personally like my unfocused windows to be semi transparent, so I
>>>>>> tweaked "Composite Focus-out Color"'s Object colour.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>
>
>
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