> No idea on why your disclosure triangles are not working, but a few other
> comments follow. BTW, if you have the cursor on the group, does right arrow
> or Cmd-rightarrow work to expand it? (I have no problems with expanding
> groups by any method.)

Yes it does, but Mickey's solution worked for my problem.


> On or near 6/28/04 10:40 PM, Bryan Harris at [EMAIL PROTECTED] observed:
> 
>>> Yes, that can be nasty; I'd file a complaint. You can send feedback to the
>>> developers on this issue. Use the last menu item under the 'Help' menu -
>>> "Send Feedback on Entourage". This message will go directly to the
>>> developers. The more people that request this feature the more likely it is
>>> to be implemented.
>> 
>> That feedback feature seems like a big black hole -- I've submitted several
>> things and never hear anything about them.  I know the developers at least
>> peruse the entries on this list, and I get a lot more feedback about them.
>> =)
> They don't reply to anything submitted that way, but from what we're told,
> it makes a difference, and the number of people requesting a particular
> feature has great influence. So don't stop.

Fair enough.


>>> If you have a folder list displayed that goes beyond one screen, Home and
>>> End do scroll to top and bottom, and dragging the scroll bar works too,
>>> although you must click in a message to change the selection. You want
>>> something that will select first message or last message? How often does one
>>> need that? I rarely know what the first or last message is until I look, and
>>> then I may as well click it.
>> 
>> The problem is that I like my messages sorted oldest to newest, but I want
>> to look at the newest messages first.  Is that too strange?
> 
> To me, yes. :-)
> 
>> When I first
>> open up 'rage, it always wants to select the first message, and I want to
>> jump to the last, but that's not possible using the keyboard.
>> 
> Seems like an exotic request to me, not likely.

Exotic?  Why would they incorporate so many keyboard shortcuts if not for
the keyboard users?  Do you ever scroll through a list of messages and
select one with the mouse?  Why should doing that same thing with the
keyboard be "exotic"?


>> It's not about the fonts, its about not being able to scan the list quickly.
>> The subjects and senders are lined up and alternate, and the visual cues
>> aren't strong enough to distinguish between them.  They should indent one or
>> the other a little so they don't all line up.  Or even better, squeeze it
>> onto one line, perhaps with a smaller font or fewer icons.
>> 
> Yup...send feedback. Personally I like it, and believe me, it went through
> scores of testers and feedback before they settled on this format, so you're
> likely in the minority.

I'm guessing the testers are all MVPs?


>>> Not a bad idea; I have a rule that says "if junk, delete from server".
>>> Actually it runs a script to do the latter:
>>> 
>>> tell application "Microsoft Entourage"
>>>     set cm to current messages
>>>     repeat with msg in cm
>>>         set category of msg to {category id 1}
>>>         set read status of msg to read
>>>         set storage of msg to folder "Junk E-mail"
>>>         set onStat to online status of msg
>>>         if onStat is not (not on server) then set connection action of msg
>>> to remove at next connection
>>>     end repeat
>>> end tell
>>> 
>>> The "set connection action" is all one line.
>> 
>> Yep, that's how I had to do it too.  Unfortunately, it has to run the script
>> for every junk message that comes through, which ends up bogging things down
>> -- if I'm typing a message for instance, it running those scripts makes the
>> keyboard pretty unresponsive.  For that reason I had to turn it off.
>> Rule-based actions seem to run so much faster than scripts.  I've brought
>> this up before, though, so I'm pretty sure they know about it.
>> 
>> Same deal, it's slow for large lists.
>> 
> The problem with scripts killing the keyboard is major, and many people have
> complained. You might try letting the script operate on the whole group of
> messages instead of one at a time (in the select-and-run approach, won't
> work for incoming rules), like this:
>> 
> tell application "Microsoft Entourage"
>     set cm to current messages
>     set category of cm to {category id 1}
>     set read status of cm to read
>     set storage of cm to folder "Junk E-mail"
>     set connection action of cm to remove at next connection
> end tell
> 
> In E2004, that should work unless some of the messages you select are not on
> line.

Exactly what I was hoping to avoid by making the suggestion.  =)

Thanks for writing the script, though, it might come in handy...

- Bryan



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