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1. Re: Nic-Name for Bill D. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
2. Re: Did someone say that they found a source for SAFT nicad
replacement electrolyte? (David Sharpe)
3. Motor Coupler. (Jeff Shanab)
4. Yuck, Gas fumes (Jeff Shanab)
5. Re: Perhaps too much drama but certainly worth of a new
Nickname (Jeff Shanab)
6. Fw: Darwin Nomination: Killacycle lives up to it's name?
(Lawrence Rhodes)
7. Fw: Darwin Nomination: Killacycle lives up to it's name?
(Lawrence Rhodes)
8. Re: More drama than it merits.... (David Roden)
9. Re: Perhaps too much drama but certainly worth of a new
Nickname (David Roden)
10. Not really "unfazed" (Was: More drama than it merits....)
(Bill Dube)
11. Re: Not really "unfazed" (Was: More drama than it merits....)
(Bill Dube)
12. Re: Not really "unfazed" (Was: More drama than it merits....)
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13. Re: Yuck, Gas fumes (Roland Wiench)
14. Re: Not really "unfazed" (Was: More drama than it merits....)
(Marty Hewes)
15. Dube' on Today show this morning, Not really "unfazed" (jerryd)
16. Re: Winter & EVs ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
17. CBS News Sunday Morning (Aaron Quinto)
18. Bill Dube, Kill Switch...........................
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19. German low drag car (Dan Frederiksen)
20. Re: Winter & EVs (Ralph Merwin)
21. Re: Darwin Nomination: Killacycle lives up to it's name?
(Lawrence Rhodes)
22. Re: Bill Dube nominated for Darwin Award. (Tim Clevenger)
23. Re: Bill Dube nominated for Darwin Award. (Eduardo Kaftanski)
24. Re: Bill Dube nominated for Darwin Award. (Derek Barger)
25. Re: Bill Dube nominated for Darwin Award. (Derek Barger)
26. Re: Winter & EVs ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
27. Re: Bill Dube nominated for Darwin Award. (Myles Twete)
28. Re: Bill Dube nominated for Darwin Award. (Marty Hewes)
29. Re: Bill Dube nominated for Darwin Award. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
30. Re: Bill Dube nominated for Darwin Award. (Derek Barger)
31. Re: Bill Dube nominated for Darwin Award. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
32. Re: Bill Dube nominated for Darwin Award. (Derek Barger)
33. Re: Bill Dube nominated for Darwin Award. (Marty Hewes)
34. Re: Bill Dube nominated for Darwin Award. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
35. Serendipity Bill (JS)
36. Re: Bill Dube nominated for Darwin Award. (Derek Barger)
37. Re: Serendipity Bill (Derek Barger)
38. Re: Bill Dube, Kill Switch...........................
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39. Reaction time (was: Bill Dube nominated for Darwin Award.)
(Bill Dube)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 21:33:49 -0700
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Subject: Re: [EVDL] Nic-Name for Bill D.
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
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Don't have a nickname, just a thought:
Bill tried to light up the KillaCycle,
and the KillaCycle lit up a Dube'.
Don't remember what Father Time ran into when German TV was filming
him, but it was some heavy American steel...
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 09:42:06 +1000
From: "David Sharpe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Did someone say that they found a source for SAFT
nicad replacement electrolyte?
To: "Wallace, Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Electric Vehicle
Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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The solution of KOH also has LiOH approx 7% and has a final SG of about 1.25
to 1.30. That is all it is. NB the electrolyte is only a carrier for ions,
it does not change SG during charge or discharge. The NiCds might improve in
capacity after a few charge discharge cycles after replacement fluid.You can
turn the leftover electrolyte into soap if you boil it to make a strong
solution & then add fat etc but may not be too good for you due to Ni & Cd
salts.
David
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Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 7:55 AM
Subject: [EVDL] Did someone say that they found a source for SAFT nicad
replacement electrolyte?
>I thought I saw a reference to someone finding a source for replacement
> KOH in the proper concentration for SAFT STM nicads. I don't think that
> there were any specifics with the reference. I might like to experiment
> with mine. I've got nothing to lose at this point.
>
> Paul Wallace
> '91 Chevy S10 full of very tired SAFT nicads
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 23:19:14 -0700
From: Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] Motor Coupler.
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
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> So if I'm looking at this right, what you've got is three pieces,
> taper lock bushing, a hub that looks like a Chevy crank, and a small
> Tilton "flywheel" that bolts to the hub for the Tilton clutch assembly
> to bolt to?
Exactly, A very small "button" flywheel that had 109 teeth before I put
it in the lathe and cut them off. 12 lbs of total weight, 6 clutch, 6
adapter
I chose a 5-1/4 triple plate with no springs on the disk. Next time I
would use the 7-1/4 dual plate rally clutch. There are so many you can
get used from MR racing or ebay.
My motor bell, the one with the 12" register, set the motor back so the
pilot bushing goes in the crank adapter. I shortened it a bit and I let
the pilot shaft go thru into the clear hole in the warp 9's shaft. It is
not like I am gonna sit for any length of time with the clutch in and
the motor spinning.
> The motor shaft is drilled for the pilot shaft to shorten the
> adapter? So any balanced Chevy flywheel could bolt to that hub?
> Large or small Chevy flywheel pattern? How about that motor adapter,
> what does that adapt to?
The large "two part seal" style. The one that is most popular for
aftermarket chevy stuff.
>
> If that hub is what I think it is, I know what I want for Christmas :) .
>
> Marty
I remember Michelle was really helpful and they shipped as advertised
and quickly.
http://www.mrracingequipment.com/
As I loop back, i think i would go dual motor in my next dc project and
to heck with all this adapting nonsense.
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 23:23:35 -0700
From: Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] Yuck, Gas fumes
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
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Driving an EV has had a strange side effect. The smell of gas now
bothers me more. LOL.
When someone in front of me is running to rich, I gag.
Today I planned my trip around makeing sure the gas-station I stopped at
was the closest to home so that I wouldn't have to drive far with the
gas can for the lawnmower in the EV. No matter how good I closed it and
how carefull I was to fill it, the smell still bugged me.
Like a X-smoker sense of smell returning and not liking the smell of
other smokers. ;-)
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 23:26:31 -0700
From: Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Perhaps too much drama but certainly worth of a
new Nickname
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
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killabill
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 23:32:15 -0700
From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] Fw: Darwin Nomination: Killacycle lives up to it's
name?
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Hi all,
>
> This is the response from the Darwin Awards people & since Bill is still
> with us he only qualifies for Honorable Mention.. Lawrence Rhodes........
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 12:44 PM
> Subject: DA Nomination: Killacycle lives up to it's name?
>
>
> >
> > Hello!
> >
> > The story you submitted, Killacycle lives up to it's name?, was reviewed
> by moderators
> > and approved for inclusion in the public Slush Pile! It is now
> > entertaining other readers while awaiting further review by Darwin.
> > You can check the vote tally and read the moderator comments here:
> >
> > Right now:
<http://DarwinAwards.com/slush/new/pending20070914-012422.html>
> > Later on: <http://DarwinAwards.com/slush//pending20070914-012422.html>
> >
> > Thank you for sharing this tale of stupidity with us.
> >
> > - - -
> >
> > This is an automatic email regarding a Darwin Awards submission.
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 23:32:42 -0700
From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] Fw: Darwin Nomination: Killacycle lives up to it's
name?
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> If any of you out there would like to vote on Bill's Video you can do it
> here. http://darwinawards.com/slush/new/pending20070914-012422.html
> The moderators both gave it a 10 out of 10 for loving it. Maybe some of
the
> drag experts could explain to them what Bill was doing when the accident
> happened. They didn't quite understand why Bill did what he did.
Lawrence
> Rhodes.........
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> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 1:01 PM
> Subject: Fw: Darwin Nomination: Killacycle lives up to it's name?
>
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > This is the response from the Darwin Awards people & since Bill is still
> > with us he only qualifies for Honorable Mention.. Lawrence
Rhodes........
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 12:44 PM
> > Subject: DA Nomination: Killacycle lives up to it's name?
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Hello!
> > >
> > > The story you submitted, Killacycle lives up to it's name?, was
reviewed
> > by moderators
> > > and approved for inclusion in the public Slush Pile! It is now
> > > entertaining other readers while awaiting further review by Darwin.
> > > You can check the vote tally and read the moderator comments here:
> > >
> > > Right now:
> <http://DarwinAwards.com/slush/new/pending20070914-012422.html>
> > > Later on: <http://DarwinAwards.com/slush//pending20070914-012422.html>
> > >
> > > Thank you for sharing this tale of stupidity with us.
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 03:27:08 -0400
From: "David Roden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] More drama than it merits....
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Goodness, Bill, I know it's a good thing to get EVs in the news media, but
this is going ... uh ... a bit overboar ... um.
Seriously, I'll add to the rumble here that says "I'm really glad you're not
seriously hurt." I'm also glad that you're apparently utterly unfazed by
this incident. Carry on, sir!
David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 03:27:08 -0400
From: "David Roden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Perhaps too much drama but certainly worth of a
new Nickname
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Ram-bill?
Somehow nothing I've seen yet has the outright charisma (or is that
chutzpa?) of "Plasma Boy."
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 02:00:30 -0600
From: Bill Dube <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] Not really "unfazed" (Was: More drama than it
merits....)
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Indeed, I'm not seriously hurt, but I wouldn't say I'm "unfazed."
I don't at all mind the well-founded criticism that I wasn't wearing
a helmet. :-[
It _really_ annoys me for folks to say that I disregarded the safety
of others and put the innocent at risk. We were very careful to be
sure the entire area ahead of the bike was cleared of any people.
There were concrete crash barriers on either side (on the left
disguised as planters.) If you look at he video, it is easy to see
there was NO ONE anywhere in front of the bike, and NO ONE at risk,
aside from me.
If you think about it, _these_ folks are the ones actually
"harming the innocent" with these false, completely unfounded, accusations.
Bill D.
At 01:27 AM 9/15/2007, you wrote:
>Goodness, Bill, I know it's a good thing to get EVs in the news media, but
>this is going ... uh ... a bit overboar ... um.
>
>Seriously, I'll add to the rumble here that says "I'm really glad you're not
>seriously hurt." I'm also glad that you're apparently utterly unfazed by
>this incident. Carry on, sir!
>
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 02:18:04 -0600
From: Bill Dube <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Not really "unfazed" (Was: More drama than it
merits....)
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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It has also been disquieting to read the comment blogs and see the
huge number of folks that delight in "kicking a guy when he is down".
They seem to have so much anger towards someone they don't even know.
Yes, a ton of folks have been very supportive, but the size (and
venom) of this "evil fraction" is a bit scary.
Bill Dube'
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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 08:07:35 -0400
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Not really "unfazed" (Was: More drama than it
merits....)
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
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I read a quote from Mark Twain many years ago that said, "Be Good, and
you will be lonesome". I used to think that "good" meant "behave".
I have sinced learned through experience that he was talking about
something entirely different.
Shawn
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Dube <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 4:18 am
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Not really "unfazed" (Was: More drama than it
merits....)
It has also been disquieting to read the comment blogs and see the
huge number of folks that delight in "kicking a guy when he is down".
They seem to have so much anger towards someone they don't even know.
Yes, a ton of folks have been very supportive, but the size (and
venom) of this "evil fraction" is a bit scary.
Bill Dube'
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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 07:11:18 -0600
From: "Roland Wiench" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Yuck, Gas fumes
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Back in 1980, I thought of all the fuel type vehicles I was following, and
wondering what all those fumes do to you that is coming into your vehicle
through the fresh air vent or heating system.
So when I modified my EV heating system, I did not need a lot of external
air to temper a heating system that would get about 220 F from a engine. I
change the damper doors so I can completely close them for the heating cycle
and open them a tiny bit for some ventilation. I now only need 50 F air on
my windshield to keep them frost free.
I rework the duct work, so I can put a carbon type of air filter in the
incoming duct. I just use the 3M furnish or A/C filters which I cut a piece
out of and roll it up to insert into the duct.
I also use the same type of filter material, to filter the incoming air for
the battery air circulation. I use standard 6 inch carb filters for the
main motor and the motor controller.
Roland
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From: "Jeff Shanab" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 12:23 AM
Subject: [EVDL] Yuck, Gas fumes
> Driving an EV has had a strange side effect. The smell of gas now
> bothers me more. LOL.
> When someone in front of me is running to rich, I gag.
>
> Today I planned my trip around makeing sure the gas-station I stopped at
> was the closest to home so that I wouldn't have to drive far with the
> gas can for the lawnmower in the EV. No matter how good I closed it and
> how carefull I was to fill it, the smell still bugged me.
>
> Like a X-smoker sense of smell returning and not liking the smell of
> other smokers. ;-)
>
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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 08:14:46 -0500
From: "Marty Hewes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Not really "unfazed" (Was: More drama than it
merits....)
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Bill,
There will always be the shallow people who will resent you because you did
something they didn't. It's the ugly side of human nature.
On the other hand, I hope you don't see helmet comments and questions from
list members as personally kicking you while you're down, that's not the
intent.
Personally, I hit a tree on a bike once, pea gravel in a turn. I bounced off
the tree with my helmet, came to, and walked away. I've been as normal as I
ever was ever since, still embarrased 37 years later, but wiser. My cousin
did the same thing, without a helmet, didn't come to, rode to the hospital
in an ambulance. He's been in a halfway house for the mentally impaired
ever since. It was a loss not only to him, but to his family, community,
and anybody that resents helmet laws. Maybe if I had told him of my
experience he would have been wearing a helmet? I guess I'll never know,
and I guess I'm now destined to campaign the helmet cause in hopes of
preventing a recurrance.
I really appreciate what you've done with the Killacycle to demonstrate the
capabilities of EV's, but I don't know that it's worth seeing anyone here
end up like my cousin. So for your benefit as well as everyone here, I feel
a need to bring up the helmet issue. The intent is not criticism, although
it may look like it, it's prevention. I think it needs to be aired so
others think twice as they folllow your footsteps. Being a leader will
bring scrutiny, as what you do will impact us all. We all need to examine
what was done right, and what could have been done to reduce risk, be it
real risk or an impression of risk in the mind of media viewers. Think of
it as a peer review. If we don't police ourselves, some jackass politician
may decide we need to be policed with legislation. Some of us will ask
questions, as doing anything in front of the media will impact all of us,
and we need to have our answers ready in case we are drawn into a
conversation brought on by the press coverage.
As far as the area being blocked off, and I believe you that it was, I don't
recall, did you make it clear to the media that it was? The fact that a
list member watched the video and had a question in his mind suggests that
other viewers may get the impression that safety may have been lax. In an
empty parking lot, or at a drag strip, it'd be none of our business. In
front of media, the impression in the mind of the viewer could impact all of
us. I think that makes it a fair question.
Marty
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Dube" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 3:18 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Not really "unfazed" (Was: More drama than it
merits....)
> It has also been disquieting to read the comment blogs and see the
> huge number of folks that delight in "kicking a guy when he is down".
> They seem to have so much anger towards someone they don't even know.
>
> Yes, a ton of folks have been very supportive, but the size (and
> venom) of this "evil fraction" is a bit scary.
>
> Bill Dube'
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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 09:07:44 -0500
From: "jerryd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] Dube' on Today show this morning, Not really
"unfazed"
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Hi Bill and All,
Getting up this morning and just switched on
the dummy tube and what shows up but Bill losing it and then
laying on his back like he was dead!! Great shot but only
said an electric motorcycle, only mentioning Bill's name,
not knowing it's the fastest in the world.
You should send it into I-Caught and them go
on to tell about EV's and your fast MC.
Glad to hear you are not hurt much.
Jerry Dycus
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From: Bill Dube <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [EVDL] Not really "unfazed" (Was: More drama
than it merits....)
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 02:18:04 -0600
>It has also been disquieting to read the comment blogs and
>see the huge number of folks that delight in "kicking a
>guy when he is down". They seem to have so much anger
>towards someone they don't even know.
>
>Yes, a ton of folks have been very supportive, but the size
>(and venom) of this "evil fraction" is a bit scary.
>
>Bill Dube'
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Message: 16
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 09:53:58 -0500
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Thanks Tim for the info and the URL. I will definitely communicte with her.BTW
isn't corvair the car talked about in "Unsafe at any speed"? What is your
experience with it?
regards
harsha godavari
Tim Medeck wrote:
> Hi, Tim Medeck here.
> I did a Corvair conversion for my sister. She lives in northern Minnesota
> (about 100 miles north of Lee Hart) and drives the car every day, winter
> included. She has a blog named Carbon Neutral In Minnesota (Just Google that
> name and you'll find the site) that describes her everyday experiences with
> an electric car. Feel free to ask her questions about her car.
> We used two "ceramic" heater elements and a three speed blower for cabin
> heat and defrost. The elements are placed in series and use pack voltage (120
> volts)
> When its cold out, she just turns on the heater, goes back in the house and
> by the time the coffee is done, the interior of the car toasty.
> The battery boxes have 1 inch of extruded polystyrene insulation on the
> sides and top, 2 inches on the bottom. They have a 240 watt strip heater
> (From Mcmaster-Carr) under the batteries, controlled by an adjustable
> thermostat so you can keep the batteries at a "happy" temp no matter what the
> outside ambient temperature is.
> Here comes the "but". Even with these measures, she still has to live with
> decreased performance in very cold weather. The car is not as "perky" in the
> cold temps as it is in the warmer time of the year. Smokey burnouts are
> doable in the summer, not so much when its 30 below!
> Check out her blog and again, feel free to ask her questions through her
> site or me at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Message: 17
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 11:45:57 -0400
From: Aaron Quinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] CBS News Sunday Morning
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
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I haven't seen it mentioned yet, but last week in the description on
the cable box, CBS News was supposed to have a story called "The
Future of Electric Cars," but they didn't talk about it. I went to
website and apparently it's going to be aired this weekend:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/09/06/sunday/main3239838.shtml
They also have a link to an article about EEStor from the main page:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/09/04/business/main3230220.shtml
So in DC, CBS News Sunday is on at 9 am, but for everyone else,
here's the list of locations and times:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/04/17/sunday/main1502683.shtml
Aaron
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Message: 18
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 11:52:15 EDT
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [EVDL] Bill Dube, Kill Switch...........................
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A possible solution to this "EV motorcycle crashing problem", Bill Dube,
Father Time, etc. would bee to mount a Kill switch on the riders body and just
bee 4 the rider gets on the bike he would flip the switch.
Flipping the "Dube switch" would then bring out the 2X4 which would wake up
the rider BEFORE he gets on the bike.
This will bee known as "Flipping the DuBee" and engaging brain bee 4 you
ride.............could bee used for the street riders also.
Could very well save lives, equipment, and embarrassment.
Jim Ludiker...............still the old guy.
PS glad you didn't kill yourself bill, that would bee bad press.
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Message: 19
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 17:02:31 +0200
From: Dan Frederiksen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] German low drag car
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Electric Vehicle Discussion List
<ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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50km/L (~115MPG) low drag light weight 2 cylinder gas car:
http://evolution.loremo.com/content/view/13/47/lang,en/
and real photos:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/loremo/1292854470/
might make for a good EV conversion base if they are reasonably priced
Dan
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Message: 20
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 09:44:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ralph Merwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Winter & EVs
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> My question is how do you keep yourself warm and still get 30 to 40 mile range
> per day. Or does on put the ev in the garage until the warm weather arrives?
Harsha,
I use an electric vest to keep me warm. I bought it at a motorcycle
accessory shop. You may have one near your, or maybe a snowmobile shop
that would carry something similar.
The vest uses 12v and draws very little power. Combined with gloves and
warm socks I keep nice and toasty.
Ralph
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Message: 21
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 09:47:27 -0700
From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Darwin Nomination: Killacycle lives up to it's
name?
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Bill's story is running over 90% positive. If you care to vote you can go
here http://darwinawards.com/slush/new/pending20070914-012422.html and vote
for or against Bill's inclusion into a Darwin Award Honorable Mention.
Lawrence Rhodes....
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Message: 22
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 10:08:11 -0700
From: "Tim Clevenger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Bill Dube nominated for Darwin Award.
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
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Sounds like Killacycle needs a thumb-activated kill switch. Maybe the stock
"Start" button? That way, you can kill power without having to lift off
either brake.
---------
From: "Mark Eidson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Bill Dube nominated for Darwin Award.
To: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Electric Vehicle
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I've had similar issue with my bike. With the brake and throttle on
the same hand an no clutch to disconnect power it is easy to be
applying power to the throttle when applying the brake or
inadvertently by just touching the throttle. The bike goes forward
when you do this........iit is not like driving a gas powered bike
with a clutch. me
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Message: 23
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 13:19:09 -0400
From: Eduardo Kaftanski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Bill Dube nominated for Darwin Award.
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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On Sat, Sep 15, 2007 at 10:08:11AM -0700, Tim Clevenger wrote:
> Sounds like Killacycle needs a thumb-activated kill switch. Maybe the stock
> "Start" button? That way, you can kill power without having to lift off
> either brake.
>
> ---------
get one of those safety switches from jet skys.
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Message: 24
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 11:25:09 -0600
From: "Derek Barger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Bill Dube nominated for Darwin Award.
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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There is 3 different kill switches on the bike. Bill is always telling
me there is a 4th it is a thumb pushbutton that tells the zilla to
launch if you push that and the throttle is turned on at the same time
it should shutdown. I guess he forgot that it was right next to his
thumb on the throttle side.
What I am not looking forward to is fixing the Killacycle it is going
to take alot of work. Does anyone think that this can be fixed in a
week?
Derek Barger
KillaCycle Team
On 9/15/07, Tim Clevenger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sounds like Killacycle needs a thumb-activated kill switch. Maybe the stock
> "Start" button? That way, you can kill power without having to lift off
> either brake.
>
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Message: 25
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 11:40:50 -0600
From: "Derek Barger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Bill Dube nominated for Darwin Award.
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Here is a picture of the kill switches one on the left handle bar the
one on top that says on and off. The launch button is on the right
handle bar next to throttle.
http://www.gowheel.com/Killacycle/oops/DSC03872.JPG
On 9/15/07, Derek Barger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There is 3 different kill switches on the bike. Bill is always telling
> me there is a 4th it is a thumb pushbutton that tells the zilla to
> launch if you push that and the throttle is turned on at the same time
> it should shutdown. I guess he forgot that it was right next to his
> thumb on the throttle side.
>
> What I am not looking forward to is fixing the Killacycle it is going
> to take alot of work. Does anyone think that this can be fixed in a
> week?
>
> Derek Barger
> KillaCycle Team
>
>
>
> On 9/15/07, Tim Clevenger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Sounds like Killacycle needs a thumb-activated kill switch. Maybe the stock
> > "Start" button? That way, you can kill power without having to lift off
> > either brake.
> >
>
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Message: 26
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 12:39:44 -0500
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Winter & EVs
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Ralph: What a clever idea. I will look into this.I can definitely use even if
it is
only for shovelling snow :-) Thanks.
regards
harsha godavari
Ralph Merwin wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >
> > My question is how do you keep yourself warm and still get 30 to 40 mile
> > range
> > per day. Or does on put the ev in the garage until the warm weather arrives?
>
> Harsha,
>
> I use an electric vest to keep me warm. I bought it at a motorcycle
> accessory shop. You may have one near your, or maybe a snowmobile shop
> that would carry something similar.
>
> The vest uses 12v and draws very little power. Combined with gloves and
> warm socks I keep nice and toasty.
>
> Ralph
>
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Message: 27
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 10:40:10 -0700
From: "Myles Twete" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Bill Dube nominated for Darwin Award.
To: "'Electric Vehicle Discussion List'" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Add a switchable accelerometer circuit that shuts down power if acceleration
exceeds some limit.
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Derek Barger
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 10:25 AM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Bill Dube nominated for Darwin Award.
There is 3 different kill switches on the bike. Bill is always telling
me there is a 4th it is a thumb pushbutton that tells the zilla to
launch if you push that and the throttle is turned on at the same time
it should shutdown. I guess he forgot that it was right next to his
thumb on the throttle side.
What I am not looking forward to is fixing the Killacycle it is going
to take alot of work. Does anyone think that this can be fixed in a
week?
Derek Barger
KillaCycle Team
On 9/15/07, Tim Clevenger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sounds like Killacycle needs a thumb-activated kill switch. Maybe the
stock
> "Start" button? That way, you can kill power without having to lift off
> either brake.
>
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Message: 28
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 12:55:32 -0500
From: "Marty Hewes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Bill Dube nominated for Darwin Award.
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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When this bike is capable of going something like 0-40 MPH in less time than
human reaction time, I think automatic shutoffs need to be considered.
During burnouts anyplace but at a dragstrip, I really think there ought to
be a weight on the ground with a cord to a Jet Ski type dead man's switch.
If the bike moves more than a few feet, the switch should kill the motor
faster than the rider can react. Let's face it, on a machine like this,
there isn't time for concious thought even by a seasoned rider. If I were
on it, and had to make a decision as to which kill switch to use, or whether
letting go of the front brake to turn the throttle back was a good idea,
it'd all be over but the funeral by the time I took any action.
Other thoughts, maybe a detector for rear brake application, or maybe a
different front brake to be used during burnouts and staging, with the
normal front brake as well as the rear brake immediately killing the drive.
I'd give some thought to what a rider might instintively do and use that
input to shut down. Conscious thought is too slow and unpredictable.
Marty
----- Original Message -----
From: "Derek Barger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 12:25 PM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Bill Dube nominated for Darwin Award.
> There is 3 different kill switches on the bike. Bill is always telling
> me there is a 4th it is a thumb pushbutton that tells the zilla to
> launch if you push that and the throttle is turned on at the same time
> it should shutdown. I guess he forgot that it was right next to his
> thumb on the throttle side.
>
> What I am not looking forward to is fixing the Killacycle it is going
> to take alot of work. Does anyone think that this can be fixed in a
> week?
>
> Derek Barger
> KillaCycle Team
>
>
>
> On 9/15/07, Tim Clevenger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Sounds like Killacycle needs a thumb-activated kill switch. Maybe the
>> stock
>> "Start" button? That way, you can kill power without having to lift off
>> either brake.
>>
>
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Message: 29
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 13:59:22 EDT
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Bill Dube nominated for Darwin Award.
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
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In a message dated 9/15/2007 10:27:21 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
What I am not looking forward to is fixing the Killacycle it is going
to take alot of work. Does anyone think that this can be fixed in a
week?
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Yes, with an Army of talent, go for it.
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Message: 30
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 12:01:09 -0600
From: "Derek Barger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Bill Dube nominated for Darwin Award.
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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That is tough since we are pulling close to 3gs off the line. Also the
track is stickier than cement. Feels like walking on duct tape when
you have a good track.
My thought is that if both brakes are on at the same time the
controller should shut down. At no time on the track is both brakes
except at the end of the race track. Shutting down the controller
wouldn't hurt anything. Since you are coasting anyway. In the burnout
you only have one brake on, the front tire.
Steve is always says "that the driver should be able to hit or pull
the kill switch with your eyes closed and you should practice this"
Derek Barger
Killacycle team
On 9/15/07, Myles Twete <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Add a switchable accelerometer circuit that shuts down power if acceleration
> exceeds some limit.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of Derek Barger
> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 10:25 AM
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Bill Dube nominated for Darwin Award.
>
> There is 3 different kill switches on the bike. Bill is always telling
> me there is a 4th it is a thumb pushbutton that tells the zilla to
> launch if you push that and the throttle is turned on at the same time
> it should shutdown. I guess he forgot that it was right next to his
> thumb on the throttle side.
>
> What I am not looking forward to is fixing the Killacycle it is going
> to take alot of work. Does anyone think that this can be fixed in a
> week?
>
> Derek Barger
> KillaCycle Team
>
>
>
> On 9/15/07, Tim Clevenger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Sounds like Killacycle needs a thumb-activated kill switch. Maybe the
> stock
> > "Start" button? That way, you can kill power without having to lift off
> > either brake.
> >
>
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Message: 31
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 14:03:40 EDT
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Bill Dube nominated for Darwin Award.
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
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In a message dated 9/15/2007 10:46:13 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Add a switchable accelerometer circuit that shuts down power if acceleration
exceeds some limit.
Hard to set records with that...............................duh
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Message: 32
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 12:04:16 -0600
From: "Derek Barger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Bill Dube nominated for Darwin Award.
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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We are supposed to be at a race on the 27th. There is only 3 of us
that work on the bike, Derek, Steve Ciciora and Bill mighty small Army
but lots of talent.
Derek Barger
Killacycle Team
On 9/15/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In a message dated 9/15/2007 10:27:21 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
>
> What I am not looking forward to is fixing the Killacycle it is going
> to take alot of work. Does anyone think that this can be fixed in a
> week?
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Yes, with an Army of talent, go for it.
>
> JL
>
>
>
>
>
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Message: 33
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 13:04:42 -0500
From: "Marty Hewes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Bill Dube nominated for Darwin Award.
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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I like that, significant acceleration with the front brake on should never
happen, right? Maybe fork extension could be used for a measure of
acceleration more easily? Or rear suspension squat, if there is any rear
suspension, should be a direct function of acceleration. Would significant
fork extension and front brake application normally ever happen together?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Myles Twete" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Electric Vehicle Discussion List'" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Bill Dube nominated for Darwin Award.
> Add a switchable accelerometer circuit that shuts down power if
> acceleration
> exceeds some limit.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf
> Of Derek Barger
> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 10:25 AM
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Bill Dube nominated for Darwin Award.
>
> There is 3 different kill switches on the bike. Bill is always telling
> me there is a 4th it is a thumb pushbutton that tells the zilla to
> launch if you push that and the throttle is turned on at the same time
> it should shutdown. I guess he forgot that it was right next to his
> thumb on the throttle side.
>
> What I am not looking forward to is fixing the Killacycle it is going
> to take alot of work. Does anyone think that this can be fixed in a
> week?
>
> Derek Barger
> KillaCycle Team
>
>
>
> On 9/15/07, Tim Clevenger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Sounds like Killacycle needs a thumb-activated kill switch. Maybe the
> stock
>> "Start" button? That way, you can kill power without having to lift off
>> either brake.
>>
>
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Message: 34
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 14:07:46 EDT
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Bill Dube nominated for Darwin Award.
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
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In a message dated 9/15/2007 10:57:37 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Other thoughts, maybe a detector for rear brake application, or maybe a
different front brake to be used during burnouts and staging, with the
normal front brake as well as the rear brake immediately killing the drive.
I'd give some thought to what a rider might instintively do and use that
input to shut down. Conscious thought is too slow and unpredictable.
Not if your a seasoned rider, they can and do perform miracles..
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Message: 35
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 11:12:49 -0700
From: JS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] Serendipity Bill
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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'Crash-test' Bill successfully tests the A123 batteries.
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Message: 36
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 12:13:21 -0600
From: "Derek Barger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Bill Dube nominated for Darwin Award.
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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A weight on the ground is silly and dangerous. If the cable get
tangled in the rear tire it fling the weight into someone. A switch
on the front tire that if you push against it might work if you hit it
or a sensor on the front wheel it it turns more than one revolution
might work. I knew something bad was going to happen. I asked Bill if
he had insurance on the bike. There are other things I said but it
looks like I was ignored on those points. Bill has never done a
burnout before on this battery pack that I know of. He just wasn't use
to the great power of the A123 cells.
Derek Barger
Killacycle team
On 9/15/07, Marty Hewes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> When this bike is capable of going something like 0-40 MPH in less time than
> human reaction time, I think automatic shutoffs need to be considered.
> During burnouts anyplace but at a dragstrip, I really think there ought to
> be a weight on the ground with a cord to a Jet Ski type dead man's switch.
> If the bike moves more than a few feet, the switch should kill the motor
> faster than the rider can react. Let's face it, on a machine like this,
> there isn't time for concious thought even by a seasoned rider. If I were
> on it, and had to make a decision as to which kill switch to use, or whether
> letting go of the front brake to turn the throttle back was a good idea,
> it'd all be over but the funeral by the time I took any action.
>
> Other thoughts, maybe a detector for rear brake application, or maybe a
> different front brake to be used during burnouts and staging, with the
> normal front brake as well as the rear brake immediately killing the drive.
> I'd give some thought to what a rider might instintively do and use that
> input to shut down. Conscious thought is too slow and unpredictable.
>
> Marty
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Derek Barger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 12:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Bill Dube nominated for Darwin Award.
>
>
> > There is 3 different kill switches on the bike. Bill is always telling
> > me there is a 4th it is a thumb pushbutton that tells the zilla to
> > launch if you push that and the throttle is turned on at the same time
> > it should shutdown. I guess he forgot that it was right next to his
> > thumb on the throttle side.
> >
> > What I am not looking forward to is fixing the Killacycle it is going
> > to take alot of work. Does anyone think that this can be fixed in a
> > week?
> >
> > Derek Barger
> > KillaCycle Team
> >
> >
> >
> > On 9/15/07, Tim Clevenger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Sounds like Killacycle needs a thumb-activated kill switch. Maybe the
> >> stock
> >> "Start" button? That way, you can kill power without having to lift off
> >> either brake.
> >>
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Message: 37
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 12:24:08 -0600
From: "Derek Barger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Serendipity Bill
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Looks like we do good work. The pack and Steve's BMS can withstand 3gs
of acceleration and sudden stops like this. I don't know how many Gs
of deceleration. Lets hope that no A123 cells were harmed in this
demonstration ( or I am going to even busier. DON'T try this with
normal lithium cells.
Derek Barger
KillaCycle team
On 9/15/07, JS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 'Crash-test' Bill successfully tests the A123 batteries.
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Message: 38
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 11:24:25 -0700
From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Bill Dube, Kill Switch...........................
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HI- Jim, I like your idea ,but it should be attached to computer key boards
as well, FT.
> [Original Message]
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> Date: 9/15/2007 8:54:12 AM
> Subject: [EVDL] Bill Dube, Kill Switch...........................
>
> A possible solution to this "EV motorcycle crashing problem", Bill Dube,
> Father Time, etc. would bee to mount a Kill switch on the riders body and
just
> bee 4 the rider gets on the bike he would flip the switch.
> Flipping the "Dube switch" would then bring out the 2X4 which would wake
up
> the rider BEFORE he gets on the bike.
> This will bee known as "Flipping the DuBee" and engaging brain bee 4 you
> ride.............could bee used for the street riders also.
> Could very well save lives, equipment, and embarrassment.
>
>
> Jim Ludiker...............still the old guy.
>
>
> PS glad you didn't kill yourself bill, that would bee bad press.
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Message: 39
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 12:31:49 -0600
From: Bill Dube <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] Reaction time (was: Bill Dube nominated for Darwin
Award.)
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I did manage to shut it down in about a second, but it goes quite a
distance in a second.
It was not difficult to shut down, but it takes a finite amount of
time for a human to react. No matter what you choose as a shut-down,
the driver must react in _some_ way first. This takes about 3/4
second. Simply deciding to operate the brakes takes about 3/4 of a
second. No disconnect system would have worked faster than what
actually occurred.
I _almost_ got it stopped. I needed about another 10 to 20 ft. That
is where I personally stopped, you will notice. Had the bike been
moving very fast, I would have gone a long way before I stopped. I
came to rest about ten feet beyond the car. This is where the bike
would have stopped. (Actually before that point.)
The front forks are bent. The front wheel is bent. The pack has a
dent from the wheel. The front cowling is cracked. Everything else is
just fine. The front forks and wheel are very lightweight aluminum,
so they crumpled right up with this very minor impact.
Bill D.
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