On 30 Jun 2015, at 05:06, John Clark wrote:
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 12:58 PM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be>
wrote:
>> a personal pronoun without a clear referent is used
instead to sweep this ambiguity under the rug and hope nobody
notices.
> No, because when a pronoun is used, we can eliminate the
ambiguity by telling if we use the 1p or 3p sense of the person.
Which 1p? In a world with duplicating chambers there is no such
thing as *THE* 1P.
There is two 1p, at the end, with this protocol. But the 1ps feels
each being singular, and the Helsinki guy knew this in advance.
>>> The one who tell me in Helsinki that he is sure that he
will [blah blah]
>> AHHH! That is a perfect example right there of ambiguity
in action.
> Where?
Apparently personal pronouns come so easily and are used with
such little though that Bruno Marchal doesn't even realize when
Bruno Marchal is using one.
Just answer the question. I don't see any ambiguity.
> It is you, at the moment before duplication,
Then Mr.You can say nothing about the future because Mr.You is
only defined at one particular instant.
This contradicts the definition of personal identity on which we have
already agreed.
"you" is the guy who remember Helsinki. Yes, after duplication, there
are two you, and the FPI comes from the fact that each of them is
unique, and that he knew this in advance (with the hypotheses used
here).
Of course Bruno Marchal or John Clark are still allowed to talk
about the future, but Mr.You has no future.
That changes absolutely nothing, as I have explained in some of the
preceding posts.
> JC-H is asked about what JC-H, the living guy who believe
that, thanks to comp, he will survive [blah blah]
He? Apparently personal pronouns come so easily and are used
with such little though that Bruno Marchal doesn't even realize
when Bruno Marchal is using one.
> The use of pronouns made things simpler
Truer words were never spoken, but not simple in a good way,
simple as in stupid..
> With comp, the fist things all machines say is
I don't care what "comp" says.
> You don't listen to your futures selves.
That's exactly the problem, nobody can listen to their future
selves because they haven't said anything yet.
But comp makes easy to predict what they will say: I see only one
city. Both copies agrees, and eventually get the point that they could
not predict in advance the result of the experience: "pushing on the
button and opening the door".
It is clearer and clearer that you got the point, but can't recognize
it.
You also fail to answer my questions in the preceding posts.
Bruno
John K Clark
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