Serious question - what's stopping you from killing yourself and speeding up the transition to happiness?
On Sat, Jan 4, 2025 at 3:04 PM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List < [email protected]> wrote: > I'm millionaire, why would I need a job ? Also, if we were to understand > consciousness fully, then we will know for sure what to expect after death. > And in case we would expect happiness, then we will even stop finding any > cure for cancer. We will celebrate cancer. All of our current decisions are > made based on incomplete knowledge of the truth. As such, we make the > decisions based on what we imagine reality to be, not on what it actually > is. > > On Saturday, 4 January 2025 at 21:37:03 UTC+2 Alan Grayson wrote: > >> On Saturday, January 4, 2025 at 12:30:07 PM UTC-7 Cosmin Visan wrote: >> >> It depends what kind of person you are. If you are a depressed person, >> curing you of cancer will not do any good. On the contrary, if you would >> have died you would havd gotten a chance at happiness in the next life. >> >> >> *You have to be right. Stop your BS, assuming you know more than you >> actually do, or get a job, or jerkoff, but no more of your stupidity. AG * >> >> On Saturday, 4 January 2025 at 21:06:51 UTC+2 Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> On Saturday, January 4, 2025 at 11:27:28 AM UTC-7 Cosmin Visan wrote: >> >> I just opened a topic a while back about the definition of the word >> "useful" that you keep abusing. Let's remind you: >> >> Useful = whatever increases happiness. >> Useless = whatever doesn't increase happiness. >> >> My philosophy, I guarantee you 100%, increases happiness, so is useful. >> Getting cured of cancer might still let you depressed, so cancer cure is >> useless. >> >> >> *You can't be very conscious and make such a hugely stupid comment. Don't >> ya think that being cured of cancer is immensely happier than succumbing to >> it? AG* >> >> >> On Saturday, 4 January 2025 at 19:59:29 UTC+2 Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> On Saturday, January 4, 2025 at 10:44:42 AM UTC-7 Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> On Saturday, January 4, 2025 at 9:53:59 AM UTC-7 Cosmin Visan wrote: >> >> How do you expect you can properly fix a car if you don't know how it >> function ? You just do guesswork, you give it a few kicks and maybe it >> starts. This is how present-day science works given that it doesn't work >> based on fundamentals, namely based on the working of consciousness. Sure, >> you can keep doing research this way: kick it till it works. And you might >> save a few lives. But if you were start from fundamentals, then you would >> know exactly what you were doing and you will save 8 billion lives. Not >> that it would matter at that point, given that at that level of development >> we will manipulate consciousness to such a degree that we will not even >> need bodies anymore. >> >> >> *About 60 years ago I met a fellow with your philosophy, a Master of >> Yoga, an adept at "Traditional Science", author of several books, who >> claimed with great authority that the problem of cancer had been "solved". >> He never got cancer but died of a heart failure around age 80 in 2008. AG* >> >> >> *My point is that people with your philosophy often make huge claims, >> with rarely anything practical forthcoming. For example, during the Covid >> pandemic, a company named Moderna produced a vaccine in record time, using >> knowledge of DNA, viruses, etc. They couldn't have done that without the >> discovery of DNA, which no doubt required by the invention of the Electron >> Microscope. Talk is cheap. We can do great things in the absence of your >> vague philosophy. Can you actually DO something useful, or is it all talk? >> AG * >> >> >> On Saturday, 4 January 2025 at 17:17:26 UTC+2 Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> On Saturday, January 4, 2025 at 8:11:38 AM UTC-7 Cosmin Visan wrote: >> >> @Alan. You can do cancer research. But since that research is not based >> on fundamental ideas about reality, it will be just guesswork: Just try >> 1000 different drugs and cross fingers that one might work. Instead, if >> people would actually understand consciousness, they would cure cancer in 1 >> week. >> >> >> *I might believe that if you were able to contribute ANYTHING to ANY >> problem discussed here. All I read are grandiose claims with nothing >> practical forthcoming. AG* >> >> >> On Saturday, 4 January 2025 at 17:08:48 UTC+2 Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> On Saturday, January 4, 2025 at 8:01:18 AM UTC-7 Cosmin Visan wrote: >> >> You can continue cancer research. But is just like playing World of >> Warcraft in order to get the legendary gear. >> >> >> *If you get cancer, which is not my wish, you can tell your doctor that >> the pain and suffering is purely imaginary, not to mention the possible >> early termination of your life. Now, do us all a favor and cease posting >> like a fool. AG * >> >> >> On Saturday, 4 January 2025 at 16:48:23 UTC+2 John Clark wrote: >> >> *You didn't answer my question. Should cancer research be stopped, and if >> not why not? * >> >> On Sat, Jan 4, 2025 at 9:35 AM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> You make the classical confusion between epistemology and ontology. Only >> because you can watch a movie with Spider-Man (epistemology), it doesn't >> follow that Spider-Man exists (ontology). >> >> On Saturday, 4 January 2025 at 15:39:31 UTC+2 John Clark wrote: >> >> On Sat, Jan 4, 2025 at 8:04 AM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> *>>the question of list moderation would not be relevant at this time if >> one very recent list member didn't think page after page of nothing but >> "(:>)" characters was an intelligent rebuttal, and ALL scientific questions >> of the form "what is the nature of X?" can be answered by simply saying "X >> does not exist".* >> >> >> >> *> Of course, given that consciousness is all there is. Why would you >> waste time talking about things that don't exist ?* >> >> >> *So there's no point in doing cancer research because cancer does not >> exist? 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