I've got just one question... Is Greg a reincarnation of Drew Nicholson? There's just about about as much chance of getting substantiated proof from either one of them, they both tend to drone on incessantly in circular arguments and you'll never "win" an argument with either of them. You will just get drawn into the quagmire of his Drewness...er, Gregness.
:::sigh::: Let it die people. -----Original Message----- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 11:03 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Oh my! I'm hurt! Crushed I tell ya... What's not substantive about my posts? I can't provide facts for things which do not exist. You say the MVP's are violating a code of ethics. I'm asking for "SUBSTANTIATED" proof. Per your usual, you skirted everything I questioned meaning you have nothing to backup your opinion meaning your opinion is worth... Well, it think you know what your opinion is worth... If you don't, I'm sure others have made it clear that your opinion is worth squat, your skills as a consultant are at the very minimum humorous, and your ability to work with others... Severely lacking... -----Original Message----- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:02 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Yes, really. Laws are designed to define the floor. Ethics are designed to define the ceiling. No, I am simply someone that has a particular view of things that people seem to be utterly fascinated with and keep bringing it up. I am not a spokesman, I have an opinion. I have come to my conclusions about you because all I see is talk, talk, talk in your posts but nothing substantive. I have yet to see you make an intelligent comment or argument yet. > A personal attack from me goes sooooo much deeper, but I'll leave that > be. On to bigger and brighter things!!! > > >>"And ethics are not passed as laws. There is no law that a company's > employees cannot accept gifts. The ethics that lawyers and doctors > follow are also not laws." > > Oh really! > > >>"This discussion is about the IT industry, as a whole or in part, > >>deciding > what is and is not ethical. We, as an industry, do that, not a > legislative body." > > Now we're getting somewhere!!! Tell me Greg, are YOU the spokesman > for the IT industry? Does the IT industry have "party" affiliations? > Are Ed and the rest of the MVP's the "Liberal's" in this case where > you're the "Conservative"? Who voted you to be the spokesman for the > IT industry and why didn't I/we get to vote? > > >>"Look, it is obvious that you are discussing something that you have > >>not > bothered educate yourself on, are not being honest in your > criticism,...(bunch of other shinola)" > > Not educated on Ethics? Oh, I'm very educated in many things, IT just > happens to be one of them. I'm just interested in how you came to > these conclusions, actual facts to backup your statements, and anyone > else who follows your beliefs if that is what you want to call them... > > NEXT! > > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:51 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 > > What was it then, a compliment? You cannot even be honest in your criticism. > > And ethics are not passed as laws. There is no law that a company's > employees cannot accept gifts. The ethics that lawyers and doctors > follow are also not laws. > > This discussion is about the IT industry, as a whole or in part, > deciding what is and is not ethical. We, as an industry, do that, not > a legislative body. > > Look, it is obvious that you are discussing something that you have > not bothered educate yourself on, are not being honest in your > criticism, have nothing to say and simply want to argue for the sake > of arguing. So, that being said, yes, you are brilliant and you win. Happy? > > > Oh, that was not a personal attack... And I don't lose arguments... > > > > I tell ya what. You find me the documentation to support your claim > > for our industry and I might be inclined to believe you. I'll need > > actual laws passed by Federal/Local Governments or a consortium of > > some kind AND any cases that were brought to trial on this subject. > > Please provide these details in a time stamped format so I can see > > at what point in time these laws went into effect... > > > > There ARE laws on the books regarding this perceived ethical > > violation, right? > > > > Everyone should probably cease assisting you with your Groupwise > > migration since it might get those of us who are not MVP's nominated > > for such things and it would be unethical of us to assist you. So, > > please stop asking for help as the answers we provide will be > > unethical in > nature... > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:34 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 > > > > Personal attacks are generally the clearest sign that someone has > > lost an argument and has nothing better to say. So now I am a wife > > beater, a liar, I starve children and I get beat up a lot. I keep > > learning things about myself that I never knew before, I love this list. > > > > > You got beat up a lot in High School didn't you... You should > > > have asked them (while being beaten to a pulp) to leave you some > > > brain cells to operate with... > > > _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED]