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> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: URGENT MESSAGE FROM RAJA HAGELIN
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> Date: Monday, October 13, 2008, 7:01 PM
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> On Oct 13, 2008, at 6:47 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote:
> --- [EMAIL PROTECTED], Vaj <vajradhatu@> wrote:
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> On Oct 13, 2008, at 6:26 PM, Peter wrote:
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> You know when a science is no longer a science and just dogma?
> When
> there is no way to disprove the theory which is the higher-
> order
> explanation for the empirical evidence. Let's see, our self-
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> criteria for quantifying the ME go up. Well, we're responsible
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> that. These self-same criteria go down, well, we're responsible
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> that too, but now we have a brand new ad hoc explanation as to
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> they go down: phase transition. Notice the a priori assumption
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> the ME is an absolute given and the ad hoc explanation is to
> rationalize the contradictory evidence away.
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> I'd love to ask John, "You state that the ME is a scientific
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> which means it is open to nullification. So, John, what
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> findings would nullify the ME?"
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> Very well said.
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> it is quite interesting that the Maharishi used to say "through
the -
> window- of science, we see the dawn of the age of enlightenment".
He
> didn't say, "...through science, we see...".
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> What was disturbing to me, in years of conversation with Mahesh's
old secretaries, (esp. one who helped put together what was to
become known as "SCI"), was how M. said he would use science to
forward his mission. Use science. But he clearly was not interested
in finding the truth about TM, TMSP, etc. He was instead interested
in creating a pseudoscience which could be used as a front for
selling his various services and appealing to western geeks, the
buyers.
> You're new here so you may not even be aware, much of this has
been discussed previously here in some detail. "Vedic Science" is
well known among Hindu scientists as a form pseudoscience and
Hindu fundamentalism. In India, in considerable contradistinction to
our western views, it is considered an extreme right-wing and
fundamentalist trend (here it seems very left wing). We see
remarkably similar parallels in the phenomenon known as "Creation
Science" in fundamentalist Christianity.
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> Creation science is dogma that uses pseudo-scientific sounding
clap-trap to validate itself. Absurd.
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I am not disagreeing with you, except in the value we each place
in "creating a pseudoscience which could be used as a front for
selling his various services and appealing to western geeks, the
buyers." the Maharishi always made his use of science clear; as a
means to an end. Everything, including you and me, was to him a
means to an end. you may call it exploitation or liberation,
depending on your point of view.
