And by the way, I invite you to go tell the families of Mark Totten and the man who set himself on fire in Marshy's house that my "assumptions" are skewed.
________________________________ From: "steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 4:33 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another suicide in FF This is the continuous loop you always resort to at times like these, but it is so full of wrong or skewed assumptions, that who really wants to rebut them over and over. Like Ann recently said, (which was really nothing that was not quite evident), nobody seems to change any else's mind around here. Well at least on core issues. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> wrote : I think you are missing something. To me it is something that the Movement will obviously never address, since it would entail them admitting that TM is not all one needs in life and they would have to admit that there seemingly ARE "side effects" to long term practice to TM, especially when one is rounding. I knew Mark Totten, purusha siddha who committed suicide by stepping in front of a moving train just off campus in Fairfield, there was a young woman siddha who killed herself there in FF last year. I was looking at the facebook page dedicated to her life and memory and say a post by a woman who went to MUM saying that a number of students had attempted over the years to have some sort of dialogue or support groups for those who were feeling depressed or that sort of thing and as she put it the Movement shut them down quickly each time. She also said that from talking to the TM adults she knows, this Movement behavior has been going on a long time. The issue to me is the fact that TM and TMSP plus all the other TM programs, nostrums and snake oil are touted as being 100% life supporting with NO negative side effect or negative effects of any kind. Yet people still get depressed and experience other "negative" emotions and there is no way for them to deal with it in the Movement except ignore it and get the meditation checked which is a joke. If you talk as I have to people raised in the Movement, there is tremendous pressure from peers, older adults and official Movement people to not talk about such things, just keep your head down and praise MArshy and the Movement. When you have long term TM'ers practice mental techniques that are SUPPOSED to make life perfect (if you believe the hype the TMO puts out) and people are committing suicide including one purusha man who set himself on fire in Marshy's basement in Vlodrop, then a serious look at the negative effects of long term TM needs to be looked at. One man I spoke with whose siddha wife has twice attempted suicide said he could think of at least half a dozen suicides by long term TM'ers without even trying. This is a man raised in FF by parent TM'ers. ________________________________ From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 2:57 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another suicide in FF ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <awoelflebater@...> wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <geezerfreak@...> wrote : >>>>> >>>>>Sheer-el Cohen. He was employed at the Raj. Apparently this happened >>>>>yesterday. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>http://www.8000now.com/audiotext/Sheer-elCohenText.htm >>>>> >>>>Now this is supremely sad. >>>> >>>> >>>>It certainly is.Suicide is possibly the worst way to lose someone close to >>>>you, not only do you have to cope with the unexpected loss you can also >>>>have the guilty feelings that you didn't know it was coming and should have >>>>been able to stop it. But the reality is you can't. >>>> >>>> >>>>I am chilled by the language used in his plea for donations though. I >>>>expect this level of zeal from people who convert to the TM belief system >>>>when they are adults but to see that level of believerism in someone so >>>>young really disturbs me. >>>> >>>> >>>>Any religious education disturbs me actually, I don't think we have the >>>>right to influence development in this way. Religion is like language, the >>>>first one you learn stays with you as part of you. Save it until you are >>>>grown up and wise enough to know better I say, childhood should be for >>>>exploration and learning how to judge things critically. >>>> >>>> >>>>But we don't know why he killed himself. It could have nothing to do with >>>>TM or his participation in it. Just because a tennis player kills >>>>themselves doesn't mean it was because they were disillusioned by tennis. >>>>There could be millions of other factors coming to play here. Or, am I >>>>missing something?
