Dear MJ, You drop the name, Alice Bailey? Actually Alice Bailey is right on it. You will certainly find out in the end. Make good use of your time while you are here. And, Stop being so incredibly negative while you can, too. It is really spiritually sinful to the subtle-bodies of the light system that comes with the life in a human body. Love. JaiGuruDev, -Buck
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <turquoiseb@...> wrote : From: "Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 1:48 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh -greatest Guru the world has ever known I don't buy the existence of karma itself. It started with the ancient Indians and spread from there to China and Japan via Buddhism. I mean, if this is the reality of life, how come only the ancient Hindus figured it out? Because they lived in the land of the veda? All the other ancient civilizations too stupid to figure it out? Nope, its just some more bullshit made up by those ganja smokers in the woods who claimed enlightenment. What better way to control the population than to tell them that all sorts of awful things would happen to you in an infinite number of lives if you didn't grease the palms of the priests so they would do the ceremonies to placate the gods and the gods of karma? There are a few people like Michael Roads and Anita Moorjani who either leave their body or have some sort of visions where they see that all is just fine with all the shit that happens all over the earth - no karma, no judgment on the part of the Universe towards any of the awful things humans do. Not that they necessarily have a lock on truth, but it is an interesting differing perspective. The current popular belief in karma and its originating culture is due to the ravings of proven huckster Helena Blavatsky who popularized Hindu beliefs in the 1800's that carried over into the 20th century through her outfit The Theosophical Society and the bullshit writings of her compatriots Annie Besant and Alice Bailey. Not to mention the pedophile C.W. Leadbeater who created the myth of Maitreya now perpetuated by that nice old faker Benjy Creme. Lie begets lie, and bs begets bs. Nope, I don't buy the existence of karma. If it was real, I think others beside the Hindus and their predecessors would have figured it out too. Given the sorry legacy India has so far offered the world (just look at the country today and don't bother mentioning the mythical "vedic society" that liar Marshy used to blabber about) I don't think I am going to give much credence to anything that country comes up with in terms of religion, philosophy or any sort of guidelines with which to live life. Can't wait for Buck to denounce me for this post. You can't really complain, though. It's just your karma. From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 3:10 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh -greatest Guru the world has ever known From: salyavin808 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <seerdope@...> wrote : Perhaps (probably) he did. (Traditionally) it is not uncommon for realized beings, even those well on the way, to know when prarabdha karma will come to an end. There is not much to be done to alter that. You lease a car for a specific period -- after that, fini. Realized beings simply endure that prarabdha that remains with the current body. For the unliberated (who still have sanchita karma), then its back to the vast mountain range of sanchita karma (which may have grown since the last bite due to karma generated in the just prior life) to bite off another chunk (of prarabdha karma) -- and start anew. Wheel of karma keeps on rolling. Unless you have stumbled upon an effective means to burn / roast the vast "mountain range" of sanchita karma, or in parallel parlance, dry-out and extinguished the causal body. (Ask someone who claims to be enlightened their experience of burning off that last bit of sanchita karma and the extinguishing of the causal body. If they say "huh?", "Run Forest, Run" ) I love the myths that "realised" people put around about themselves. It both gives us lowly mortals something amazing to aim for and a way for them to keep themselves above us. It's a neat trick, and yes I fell for it but it was Maharshy's obvious weakness as a speaker - that he was basically making it up as he went along - that convinced me it was all a put on. And I never heard of anyone better. I've encountered several of the "supposedly realized" who were better speakers (expounders of "the knowledge") than Maharishi -- IMO MMY was *extremely* limited in what he could say, being limited to parroting things he'd heard from others or read somewhere or ripped off from someone supposedly "assisting" him with one of his books. But I completely agree with your point, which is as far as we can tell, the "supposedly realized" just make this shit about "what enlightenment is like" up, based on stuff that was told to them by their teachers (who were *also* just making shit up) and, of course, whatever enables them to get their way. As far as I can tell, based on the few teachers I've met who seemed to have a clue, there is NO SUCH THING as "burning off all of one's karma." If you're incarnate, you've still got past karma, and you're still busy generating more with every thought and action. The *only* difference between a "realized" person and someone "unrealized" IMO is that your karma doesn't bother you as much when it comes back on you, because there is a little less self to be bothered. I think that the "myth of having no more karma" probably comes from that -- people in the early, essentially narcissistic stages of realization realize that when they do something bad it doesn't bother *them* as much any more, so they begin to believe the actions were bad. What we have is an impossible ideal of wondrous powers and paranormally gained "wisdom" that no one ever demonstrates to be anything more than them claiming to have attained the sort of godlike status we read about in the holy books. Or over on The_Peak. :-) Or am I wrong and there really is an infinite world within this one that I can reach by purifying my mind to reveal a deeper truth about reality that can't be understood objectively, indeed can only be experienced rather than studied? If only they'd shown us something convincing as I hate taking people at their word, especially as their word always involves them living a life of luxury being waited on hand and foot. I've certainly seen something that could be mistaken for this sort of enlightenment but is the vedic explanation the best one? Perhaps the original holy men had the same vision I did and interpreted that as being something fundamental to everything else we normally experience and then passed that down as received wisdom when really it's an imbalance in the way the brain normally constructs our perception of the world. Questions questions. It is worth noting that in the realm of spiritual teaching, anyone offering an "answer" to these questions seems to expect to be paid for it, and well. That *alone* should disqualify them from consideration as "realized."