First of all, in regard to the composition of the soul itself, there is a
speciality which must be understood. The composition of earthly consciousness
always consists of the physical, vital and mental energy. The consciousness
upon which the ego concentrates and revolves around, that formation over which
the ego sense is concentrated consists always of the physical, vital and mental
energies. So there is a formation of physical, vital and mental energy over
which a sense ‘I am’ is constantly vibrating. And this ‘I am’ is a sense also
consisting of mental energy. So you might say mental energy vibrating over
mental energy with a specific colour of it which says I am, I am, I am. This is
constantly held by memory.
As opposed to this formation the soul does not get composed of the physical,
vital and mental energies. This is the first distinction. It is different from
physical, vital and mental energies. If you use the Sanskrit word for physical,
vital and mental energies it is Prakriti, because that is what ultimately
Prakriti means. It means energy of movement and energy as manifested today is
the energy of physical, mental, and vital, threefold energy �”� the physical in
which tamas is predominant, vital in which rajas is predominant and mental in
which sattva is predominant, it is called Trigunatmak Prakriti.The first
distinction of the soul is that it is not composed of this threefold energy.
Secondly, the soul here is a delegate of the jivatman. Being a delegate of the
jivatman, it has the qualities of the jivatman. If it does not consist of
physical, vital and mental energies what is it composed of? Being the delegate
of the jivatman, it has the composition of the jivatman.The composition of
jivatman is a centration, a specificity of the Supreme Lord Himself. Mamaeva
amsha – is the description given in the Gita. The jivatman is Mamaeva amsha. It
is my portion, my centration, not part because the Lord cannot be divisible.
This jivatman is the madhvadaha of the Kathopnishad, the eater of honey. This
jivatman is the centration of the Supreme Lord Himself which vibrates with,
which is composed of, the energies of Satchitananda Himself. Its vibrations,
its energies are energies of Satchitananda, which are all manifesting through
Truth. So you might say Truth Energy. It is composed of not physical, vital and
mental energies, but Truth Energies. Truth Energy consists of Satchitananda. It
is itself the centration of Satchitananda. This soul is a delegate of this
jivatman so it has all the elements of the jivatman. This is the composition.In
other words this is a composition of the Supreme Lord and Para Prakriti as per
the Gita. Ego is the formation of Prakriti. It is also called Apara Prakriti,
lower Prakriti distinguished from Para Prakriti. The composition of the ego is
that of Apara Prakriti. Composition of the soul which is the delegate of the
jivatman is that of Para Prakriti which is Truth Energy and which is centration
of the Divine Himself, it is energy and centration. This centration is
specific, sustained by the Divine permanently, eternally.This specificity is
distinguishable from all other specificities, my soul, your soul, her soul;
each one is distinguished from the other. Each one is a centration of the
Divine. For each one is distinct from the other. In that distinctness each one
is independent of the other. But it is entirely inseparable from the Supreme
Lord because it is a centration of the Lord. In other words, each soul or each
jivatman knows itself to be independent of all the rest only in regard to its
distinctness from the others. But not in the sense that it is independent as
separate from all the others; distinct from others yes, but not separate from
all the others. This is a subtle distinction which is to be made. Being
inseparable from the Supreme Lord it knows it is entirely dependent upon the
Supreme Lord and it does not fall into a mistake of thinking that it is
independent of all the rest. Therefore the individuality consists of its
distinctness from the others, inseparability from the Supreme and from the Para
Prakriti and that it is eternal and inextinguishable because the Supreme is
inextinguishable. Its formation of body, life and mind are constantly mutable,
therefore they are extinguishable but the soul which is a delegate of the
jivatman and the jivatman being the eternal centration of the Divine, is
inextinguishable. Therefore, while the ego and egoistic formation is mutable
and extinguishable, the soul is inextinguishable. Jivatman himself with all his
consciousness, if it descends completely into the human body as it is with all
its fullness of knowledge, then the kind of play that is to be played cannot be
played because it will all the time be conscious and the gradual evolution
which is to take place will not take place.
http://www.kireetjoshiarchives.com/audio-video/audio.php?id=476
Gulati
On Tuesday, 4 April 2017 12:51 AM, R.Rudranarasimham
<rebbaprag...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
SPIRITUALITY SCIENCE - MAN IS CREATED BEING
On www.ultraupdates.com
On www.ultraupdates.comMan is Created Being. Man may be divided into several
parts, but those parts establish One, Singular Unity. While the Creation is
divided into Material and Spiritual, Inanimate and Animate, Insensible and
Sensible, Living and Nonliving its Origin or the Prime Cause remains the same.
I seek the existence of Soul or Spirit in a Substance that is basic to Life
activities, and in a Material or Matter that is responsible for all Living
Processes.
The term Soul or Spirit belong to Earthly or Terrestrial, or Materialistic
Realm or Domain where the Physical, Subjective, and Objective Reality of Man's
Existence is established. I do not intend to use the term Soul or Spirit as
Metaphysical or Transcendent Reality.
I define Spirituality Science as investigation of Spiritual Nature of Corporeal
or Material Substance called Living Matter or Protoplasm/Cytoplasm. I am not
seeking to discover Soul or Spirit that may exist independent of Man's Physical
or Created Being. This Inquiry pertains to the relationship between Soul or
Spirit and Human Body whose Structure and Functions are accounted by Science
such as Human Anatomy and Human Physiology.
On my-definitions.comThe Structure and Behavior of Living Things contribute to
their Individual Being and Function. Living Things have Complex Structures and
Functional Organization. Living Functions cannot be discovered if there is
breakdown or damage of these Complex Molecules. We cannot discover the taste of
Water if Water Molecule is separated into its Chemical Elements. We cannot
discover the taste of Salt if Salt Molecule is separated into its Chemical
Elements. Living Functions called Metabolism involves making, breaking, and
repairing of Molecules of Life.
On bhavanajagat.com
Rudranarasimham RebbapragadaAnn Arbor, MI 48104 - 4162 USABHAVANAJAGAT.ORG
On www.slideshare.net
On bhavanajagat.com
On bhavanajagat.com
From: shirish dave <smdave1...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, April 3, 2017 9:55 AM
Subject: Re: [TheBecoming] Re: Spirit & Reincarnation
"The body which is here is burnt and is turned to ashes or is buried and there
it gets disintegrated. But besides this physical body, there is the internal
body that does not get immediately disintegrated."
What is that internal body?Of what elements the internal body is made of? By
which force the said so called internal body remained associated with the
physical body?Why has it left the physical body?What are the organs of that
internal body?How does that internal body function?What are the properties of
that internal body?
No body can answer these and many more other questions and prove the existence
of internal body logically. The rebirth is a simply wishful thinking.
We are all made of a single fundamental entity you may name it Prana, Anna,
Super String, Super particle. This fundamental entity is alive. It is not
possible to produce living organism from non-living organisms in whatsoever
number they are arranged.
We are made of cells. Cells are made of molecules, molecules are made of atoms.
Atoms are made of other subatomic particles, they are made of quarks, and at
the end all are made of the combinations of superstrings. This superstring is
the prime living organism, which has single property to attract other similar.
No different entitity having different property can intereact.
Under physical laws, superstrings formed subatomic particles and then atoms,
molecules and complicated molecules like amoebas and bacteria under favorable
conditions. Then they under went evolution under fittest to survive.
Superstring is a Soul.
Soul + Soul = Soul.
The Cosmic Soul is the universe.
From: devindersingh gulati <dgulh...@yahoo.com>
First question is who is reborn?The second question is what is the necessity of
rebirth?The third is what is the process of rebirth?The answer to the first
question who is reborn is, there is a normal, common, popular notion that the
man whom we saw dying is really reborn. This is a very common, normal idea. A
man or woman who has died is reborn. And we begin to expect in the rebirth the
same tendencies which that man or woman who had died possessed. If that man was
heroic we expect that in next rebirth the same heroic man will continue to be
heroic. If that man was greedy then in the next birth the same personality will
continue to be greedy. If that personality had certain attachments with X or Y
or Z then we expect that in the next birth the same will continue. Such are
vague unclear, common notions. These notions are based on facts that we do not
make distinctions. Between four elements which are in our personality there is
the physical element, the physical body in which we are living; there is the
vital element which consists of desires, impulses, attractions, repulsions,
longings; there is a mental which consists of ideas, conceptions, dreams of
various kinds, visions of various kinds and finally there is a soul in us. We
do not even know the interconnection of all this.As a result of this, our
notion of the personality that dies and the personality that is born is also a
very vague and very unclear notion. Surely the same physical body is not
reborn. That body which is here is burnt and is turned to ashes or is buried
and there it gets disintegrated. But besides this physical body, there is the
internal body that does not get immediately disintegrated. This is called the
subtle physical body. The word subtle physical is a larger term which includes
subtle physical, vital and mental also. But in the subtle body there is a
subtle physical body also. This subtle physical body survives for quite some
time and if the vital and mental are not very much developed in us, if the soul
in us is not very much developed in us, then there would be an immediate
physical rebirth in another body. It would be almost a continuation of the kind
of personality that there was before because nothing was developed. This
answers to the common idea of the same personality being reborn. But this
happens only in the case of very rudimentary human beings, very, very
elementary, very barbaric human beings whose life is centered only on the
physical and other parts of the being are not developed. Now, for those who
have got vital being quite developed, mind also to some extent developed, and
the soul also slightly developed; in that case after the disintegration of the
physical body, also the subtle physical, the vital continues for some time. It
was developed already; it does not disappear. But on the physical earth,
basically only physical beings can live that is the specialty of this physical
world.If anyone wants to come on the earth and live on the earth, he has got to
have a physical body. If he does not have a physical body then one cannot live
long on the physical plane. So, there must be another plane where this vital
being developed in this body, which has still not disintegrated, which is still
continuing, passes through a certain plane and that must be a plane
corresponding to its own nature. If it is a vital being it goes to the life
plane, the vital plane, a vital world, a world which consists of vital beings.
This is a part of the occult knowledge. That apart from the physical world
there is a vital
world.http://www.kireetjoshiarchives.com/audio-video/audio.php?category=rebirth-and-other-worlds&id=473So
once you go to the life plane then you get a freer domain of expressing your
vital being. This also is a very important idea.What does it mean to get a
freer field to express the vital being? You notice that in this world of the
physical, we are constantly hampered by physical disabilities. There are many
things that we would like to do but either we are sick or we get fatigued very
easily, or else there is a need for sleep. Very often when our vital being is
very powerful we feel we should have 48 hours in a day to be able to do
everything that we want to do. There are so many things to be done but it is
the physical existence which hampers our full manifestation of all our vital
activities. In the vital plane this disability would not be there, so that it
may have a freer play of its energies. Very often many things that we cannot do
here in the physical plane we are able to accomplish in the vital plane, this
we are able to do by transmigrating into the life plane. And we reach a point
where all that we wanted to do is as it were exhausted.Once that is done then
we are able to pass to the other plane and if our mind was developed to some
extent then we go to the mental plane. There again, what we were not able to do
mentally here, we are able to accomplish over there. And a point is reached
where it is exhausted and then we are able to move to the plane of the pure
soul being which is called the Psychic plane. It is the psychic being actually,
which is the individual formation of the soul; which is immortal, it never
disintegrates, it is the inextinguishable flame. So that which really survives
the body after the death of the body it is this psychic body or soul which
remains disintegrated. The vital can become exhausted, mental can become
exhausted but the soul is never exhausted. It is actually you might say an
entity of potentiality which remains disintegrated.It is this soul personality
which has a sojourn on the psychic plane. And according to the level of
evolution that it has reached in the past births, and according to the
potentiality it has got of manifestation in the future, it waits for the
circumstances on the earth to arise appropriate to the need and then it takes a
new body on the physical plane by descending into the physical plane. Very
often when the soul is not very developed it does not make a conscious choice
of the circumstances in which it is to be born. It happens almost like
gravitation. But when the soul development has been sufficiently great, then it
can decide exactly when it is to be born. It can even preside over the
formation of the body, determine the formation of the body and take the birth
according to its needs very consciously. In the case of very developed souls
this is the normal condition. So it is actually the soul that takes
birth.http://www.kireetjoshiarchives.com/audio-video/audio.php?category=rebirth-and-other-worlds&id=474
Gulati
On Sunday, 2 April 2017 6:40 PM, "devindersingh gulati dgulh...@yahoo.com
[TheBecoming]" <thebecom...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
I am saying the same thing, only differently.1. There is a soul.2. It is
permanent.3. It evolves.4. To begin with, it is ineffective to control life.
5. In the beginning instincts and desires predominate over mind.6. Gradually
the mind asserts its sovereignty.7. Mind is in turn more and more influenced by
soul as it grows.
8. Reincarnation of soul becomes necessary for the process to complete
itself.9. Reincarnation is as human only.10. Formations (Samskars) of desires
that are very strong may reincarnate in animals, not the soul.
Once you grant that there is a necessity of rebirth then many questions arise.
“There arises the first question of the process of rebirth; if that process is
not quickly successive, birth immediately following death of the body so as to
maintain an uninterrupted series of lives of the same person, if there are
intervals, that in its turn raises the question of the principle and process of
the passage to other worlds, which must be the scene of these intervals, and
the return to earth–life. A third question is the process of the spiritual
evolution itself and the mutations which the soul undergoes in its passage from
birth to birth through the stages of its adventure.”The first question is what
is the process of rebirth? Who is reborn, how is one reborn? In what form is he
reborn?The second is, is rebirth immediately successive. There are two notions
which are running in the world amongst those who believe in rebirth, not
sufficiently reconciled. According to one view you leave this body and you are
immediately reborn into another body. According to the other view once you come
out of the body you go through experiences of pleasure and pain according to
whether you have been good or bad on this earth. If you have been good you go
to heaven and pleasures of some kind, otherwise you will be chastised and sent
to hell for some time. And when this is over you take another birth. This is a
popular notion, not necessarily scientifically verifiable. These are the
current notions. We have to arrive at a very scientific conclusion on this
subject. Is rebirth immediately successive or if not immediately successive
then what happens to the soul in the interval?The third question is that in the
whole process of dying, coming out of the body, passing to wherever one has to
pass after the death of the body, returning to the new body; what is it that
the soul gains and how does it evolve itself. What is the process of its
evolution? What role does nature play and what role does the soul play in the
evolution of consciousness, which is the real purpose. These are the three
questions that
arise.http://www.kireetjoshiarchives.com/audio-video/audio.php?category=rebirth-and-other-worlds&id=471
Gulati
On Sunday, 2 April 2017 9:07 AM, S Turkman <turk...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
As I said before, we are made of 3 things. Physical Body, Astral Body and
Spirit. When we die, Astral Body disintegrates and Spirit flies away to get
Reincarnated again as a Human of a 4 Legged Animal depending on each case but
normally back to another Human.Some in their 1st Sojourn or higher as Human may
prefer to be Reincarnated back as 4 Legged Animals, where they had started
from, if they did not like their Human Life.
CASE & POINT
I had an American friend, who could converse with 4 Legged Animals using
telepathy (Mentally without saying any words)..i asked, why she did not use
this skill at the Horse Races to win a lot of money?She said, "They are like 5
to 8 years old Children mentally. 3 or 4 of them say, they would win the Race.
Normally one of them wins but sometimes, one of the rest of them, who had said,
they would not, wins. One day, I was with her in a Shopping Center on Milwaukee
& Dempster Street, Desplaines, Illinois, USA. I saw a very crazy kind of Pet
Dog of some lady that had gone inside leaving it outside. I requested her to
talk with it. Following is the conversation:
LADY: Why are you acting so crazy?DOG: Because I am crazy?LADY: Why don't you
straighten out your act so,you could be born as a Human?DOG: I have already
done that. I was a Human. LADY: Did you act this crazy as a Human also?DOG: Yes
and I could not enter Fetus of a Human after that. LADY: Do you like this life
as a Dog?DOG: Yes. LADY: Why?DOG: Because this life is more fun and less
restrictive. LADY: How?DOG: You saw me rape a little Bitch. Nobody arrested me
to take to Jail. When I used to do this as a Human, they used to take me to
Jail and in court the Raped Girl used to testify so, I had started killing them
after raping so, they could not testify. I got caught again and was given Death
Sentence.
#yiv7986626764 -- #yiv7986626764ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid
#d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#yiv7986626764
#yiv7986626764ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#yiv7986626764
#yiv7986626764ygrp-mkp #yiv7986626764hd
{color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px
0;}#yiv7986626764 #yiv7986626764ygrp-mkp #yiv7986626764ads
{margin-bottom:10px;}#yiv7986626764 #yiv7986626764ygrp-mkp .yiv7986626764ad
{padding:0 0;}#yiv7986626764 #yiv7986626764ygrp-mkp .yiv7986626764ad p
{margin:0;}#yiv7986626764 #yiv7986626764ygrp-mkp .yiv7986626764ad a
{color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;}#yiv7986626764 #yiv7986626764ygrp-sponsor
#yiv7986626764ygrp-lc {font-family:Arial;}#yiv7986626764
#yiv7986626764ygrp-sponsor #yiv7986626764ygrp-lc #yiv7986626764hd {margin:10px
0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}#yiv7986626764
#yiv7986626764ygrp-sponsor #yiv7986626764ygrp-lc .yiv7986626764ad
{margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}#yiv7986626764 #yiv7986626764actions
{font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;}#yiv7986626764
#yiv7986626764activity
{background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;}#yiv7986626764
#yiv7986626764activity span {font-weight:700;}#yiv7986626764
#yiv7986626764activity span:first-child
{text-transform:uppercase;}#yiv7986626764 #yiv7986626764activity span a
{color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;}#yiv7986626764 #yiv7986626764activity span
span {color:#ff7900;}#yiv7986626764 #yiv7986626764activity span
.yiv7986626764underline {text-decoration:underline;}#yiv7986626764
.yiv7986626764attach
{clear:both;display:table;font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;padding:10px
0;width:400px;}#yiv7986626764 .yiv7986626764attach div a
{text-decoration:none;}#yiv7986626764 .yiv7986626764attach img
{border:none;padding-right:5px;}#yiv7986626764 .yiv7986626764attach label
{display:block;margin-bottom:5px;}#yiv7986626764 .yiv7986626764attach label a
{text-decoration:none;}#yiv7986626764 blockquote {margin:0 0 0
4px;}#yiv7986626764 .yiv7986626764bold
{font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;font-weight:700;}#yiv7986626764
.yiv7986626764bold a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv7986626764 dd.yiv7986626764last
p a {font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}#yiv7986626764 dd.yiv7986626764last p
span {margin-right:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}#yiv7986626764
dd.yiv7986626764last p span.yiv7986626764yshortcuts
{margin-right:0;}#yiv7986626764 div.yiv7986626764attach-table div div a
{text-decoration:none;}#yiv7986626764 div.yiv7986626764attach-table
{width:400px;}#yiv7986626764 div.yiv7986626764file-title a, #yiv7986626764
div.yiv7986626764file-title a:active, #yiv7986626764
div.yiv7986626764file-title a:hover, #yiv7986626764 div.yiv7986626764file-title
a:visited {text-decoration:none;}#yiv7986626764 div.yiv7986626764photo-title a,
#yiv7986626764 div.yiv7986626764photo-title a:active, #yiv7986626764
div.yiv7986626764photo-title a:hover, #yiv7986626764
div.yiv7986626764photo-title a:visited {text-decoration:none;}#yiv7986626764
div#yiv7986626764ygrp-mlmsg #yiv7986626764ygrp-msg p a
span.yiv7986626764yshortcuts
{font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;font-weight:normal;}#yiv7986626764
.yiv7986626764green {color:#628c2a;}#yiv7986626764 .yiv7986626764MsoNormal
{margin:0 0 0 0;}#yiv7986626764 o {font-size:0;}#yiv7986626764
#yiv7986626764photos div {float:left;width:72px;}#yiv7986626764
#yiv7986626764photos div div {border:1px solid
#666666;height:62px;overflow:hidden;width:62px;}#yiv7986626764
#yiv7986626764photos div label
{color:#666666;font-size:10px;overflow:hidden;text-align:center;white-space:nowrap;width:64px;}#yiv7986626764
#yiv7986626764reco-category {font-size:77%;}#yiv7986626764
#yiv7986626764reco-desc {font-size:77%;}#yiv7986626764 .yiv7986626764replbq
{margin:4px;}#yiv7986626764 #yiv7986626764ygrp-actbar div a:first-child
{margin-right:2px;padding-right:5px;}#yiv7986626764 #yiv7986626764ygrp-mlmsg
{font-size:13px;font-family:Arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;}#yiv7986626764
#yiv7986626764ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;}#yiv7986626764
#yiv7986626764ygrp-mlmsg select, #yiv7986626764 input, #yiv7986626764 textarea
{font:99% Arial, Helvetica, clean, sans-serif;}#yiv7986626764
#yiv7986626764ygrp-mlmsg pre, #yiv7986626764 code {font:115%
monospace;}#yiv7986626764 #yiv7986626764ygrp-mlmsg *
{line-height:1.22em;}#yiv7986626764 #yiv7986626764ygrp-mlmsg #yiv7986626764logo
{padding-bottom:10px;}#yiv7986626764 #yiv7986626764ygrp-msg p a
{font-family:Verdana;}#yiv7986626764 #yiv7986626764ygrp-msg
p#yiv7986626764attach-count span {color:#1E66AE;font-weight:700;}#yiv7986626764
#yiv7986626764ygrp-reco #yiv7986626764reco-head
{color:#ff7900;font-weight:700;}#yiv7986626764 #yiv7986626764ygrp-reco
{margin-bottom:20px;padding:0px;}#yiv7986626764 #yiv7986626764ygrp-sponsor
#yiv7986626764ov li a {font-size:130%;text-decoration:none;}#yiv7986626764
#yiv7986626764ygrp-sponsor #yiv7986626764ov li
{font-size:77%;list-style-type:square;padding:6px 0;}#yiv7986626764
#yiv7986626764ygrp-sponsor #yiv7986626764ov ul {margin:0;padding:0 0 0
8px;}#yiv7986626764 #yiv7986626764ygrp-text
{font-family:Georgia;}#yiv7986626764 #yiv7986626764ygrp-text p {margin:0 0 1em
0;}#yiv7986626764 #yiv7986626764ygrp-text tt {font-size:120%;}#yiv7986626764
#yiv7986626764ygrp-vital ul li:last-child {border-right:none
!important;}#yiv7986626764
